Saskatchewan Follows Manitoba

Today I had a very good conversation with Ryan Barnes, Editor in Chief of Wildfowl magazine and I directed him to this thread.
My request to him was to have his conservation editor write a feature article about this very issue. One side effect of pay to play is diminished recruitment of future hunters when a thousand dollars a day is required to participate. How many dads or grandfathers are able to afford this? This new regulation is very sad for both countries and my only hope is that the powers that be will reconsider their decision.
RM
 
while the new Saskatchewan regs don't really impact me since my hunting is generally limited to 1 week in the spring and 1 in the fall i wonder when it stops? I can only assume that at some point non-residents of Canada will be required to hire a guide.
 
I've been thinking about how to discuss this further, and I could go on forever. I'll keep it relatively short to avoid being a serious troll. The entire subject of restricting hunters vs guides babysitting shooters is the prioritization of commercial interests over individual interests. This is all about money, greed as others have said. I don't blame SK for the trend, as they're following others misguided lead. I would have rather they set a different path, one that de-commercializes waterfowl hunting by reducing the number of guides and their influence. The BMP's suggested in the publication posted by RM seem pretty reasonable. Those, and sunsetting all guiding licenses when the current guide retires would be a great service to waterfowl hunters everywhere.
 
I've been thinking about how to discuss this further, and I could go on forever. I'll keep it relatively short to avoid being a serious troll.
SJ Fairbank,
Quite the opposite; we need more people like you to get involved, write letters and get us back to where we came from. These rule changes, from what I can tell, are the result of a successful smear campaign by special interests against freelance hunters. These special interests used the same playbook in the Dakotas. Back then talk radio was a big thing and all you heard about was how nonresident hunters were leaving gates open, shooting all the birds etc. with no evidence to support this. Unfortunately we are not vocal enough and I seriously doubt that even the hospitality industry in knew what was taking place until it was too late. It's sad how a small minority can ruin things for so many.
RM
 
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BEST PRACTICES FOR MANAGING NON-RESIDENT HUNTERS, Max Mcgraw Wildlife Foundation.

There are points in this write-up that are incorrect or not applicable when it comes to Saskatchewan. Please note that this is just based on my attendance of industry group meetings and correspondence from the Ministry. I am not privvy to all discussions taking place at the Ministry.

  • there is no allocation model under consideration, at least that I am aware of, that will take a certain number of licenses and allocate them to outfitters at the expense of freelancers. The goal of the forthcoming allocation model is to LIMIT OR DECREASE the amount of outfitted hunters in Saskatchewan from or at current levels, both at the individual outfitter level and sector level.
  • There is no discussion of allocating licenses to any group, whether it's outfitters or landowners, at the expense of private hunters.
  • There is no discussion of landowner licenses in Saskatchewan that I am aware of. This may be the case in Manitoba.
Perhaps I'm out of place on this forum, but I started to read it out of interest in the perception of non-resident freelancers regarding the new regs. As I stated before, there seems to be a misconception of the goals and level of influence of the SCPO, our industry group, and they could do a better job communicating. The SCPO has been trying for years to address these issues and until recently have been unable to get any traction at the ministry. The reality is far from it being a powerful group that walks in to the Ministry with a list of demands. DU and the Sask Wildlife Federation have no less influence. We agree that outfitter growth is a big part of the problem in SK and are taking it upon ourselves to address it. The view that persists on this forum that the government favors the outfitting industry and is working to squeeze out private hunters is not supported by anything I've seen.
 
There are points in this write-up that are incorrect or not applicable when it comes to Saskatchewan. Please note that this is just based on my attendance of industry group meetings and correspondence from the Ministry. I am not privvy to all discussions taking place at the Ministry.

  • there is no allocation model under consideration, at least that I am aware of, that will take a certain number of licenses and allocate them to outfitters at the expense of freelancers. The goal of the forthcoming allocation model is to LIMIT OR DECREASE the amount of outfitted hunters in Saskatchewan from or at current levels, both at the individual outfitter level and sector level.
  • There is no discussion of allocating licenses to any group, whether it's outfitters or landowners, at the expense of private hunters.
  • There is no discussion of landowner licenses in Saskatchewan that I am aware of. This may be the case in Manitoba.
Perhaps I'm out of place on this forum, but I started to read it out of interest in the perception of non-resident freelancers regarding the new regs. As I stated before, there seems to be a misconception of the goals and level of influence of the SCPO, our industry group, and they could do a better job communicating. The SCPO has been trying for years to address these issues and until recently have been unable to get any traction at the ministry. The reality is far from it being a powerful group that walks in to the Ministry with a list of demands. DU and the Sask Wildlife Federation have no less influence. We agree that outfitter growth is a big part of the problem in SK and are taking it upon ourselves to address it. The view that persists on this forum that the government favors the outfitting industry and is working to squeeze out private hunters is not supported by anything I've seen.
I hear what you’re saying, but I completely disagree that these principles do not apply to Saskatchewan. The McGraw best‑practice principles absolutely apply to what is happening here. This is not about whether the Ministry plans outfitter‑allocated licenses or landowner tags. It is about how sound wildlife policy is supposed to be built. I know and have worked with almost all of the authors of the McGraw report, and they have deep experience shaping wildlife policy and hunting regulations across both the United States and Canada.

Right now, Saskatchewan’s process misses several of those core principles:
• No biological justification has been presented for restricting freelancers.
• Key stakeholders, including landowners, rural businesses, and freelancers, were not meaningfully included.
• Rural economic impacts were not evaluated, even though freelancers support small‑town economies.
• Public‑trust access is being restricted while commercial access remains intact.
• Landowner autonomy is reduced, regardless of whether licenses are being allocated.

So even if the Ministry is not handing tags to outfitters, the broader issues remain. Transparency, equity, science‑based reasoning, and the steady shift toward a more commercialized system are exactly what the McGraw report warns about. That is why those principles matter here.

And I have to point out one thing in your reply. You refer to this as an “industry,” which speaks directly to the commercialization of a public resource. You also capitalized “LIMIT OR DECREASE,” which reads as if the real goal is to reduce freelance hunters. If that was not your intent, it certainly came across that way.
 
The limit or decrease applied to outfitters, not freelancers. The SCPO is taking the initiative to limit or decrease the amount of outfitted hunters in SK at or below current levels, as I've stated more than once.
The current issue being addressed is competition for hunting grounds, not bird population.
Wading into this forum has been helpful and informative for me, but it doesn't seem that I am able to get my own point of view, or my perceived view of the SCPO, across successfully. I do appreciate the polite discourse on this forum though, seriously.
 
The limit or decrease applied to outfitters, not freelancers. The SCPO is taking the initiative to limit or decrease the amount of outfitted hunters in SK at or below current levels, as I've stated more than once.
The current issue being addressed is competition for hunting grounds, not bird population.
Wading into this forum has been helpful and informative for me, but it doesn't seem that I am able to get my own point of view, or my perceived view of the SCPO, across successfully. I do appreciate the polite discourse on this forum though, seriously.
Getting your point across isn’t always easy. It definitely means something that you’re part of the discussion
 
The limit or decrease applied to outfitters, not freelancers. The SCPO is taking the initiative to limit or decrease the amount of outfitted hunters in SK at or below current levels, as I've stated more than once.
The current issue being addressed is competition for hunting grounds, not bird population.
Wading into this forum has been helpful and informative for me, but it doesn't seem that I am able to get my own point of view, or my perceived view of the SCPO, across successfully. I do appreciate the polite discourse on this forum though, seriously.
Adam, I appreciate your participation here and the information you’ve shared. My confusion came from the way your earlier comment was phrased. I’m trying to understand why SCPO would want to limit or decrease the number of outfitted hunters. Does that mean fewer clients for outfitters, fewer competing outfitters, or fewer hunters overall? And if fewer outfitters is the goal, does that mean fewer outfitters in general or specifically fewer American outfitters?

From where I sit, all of those scenarios point toward making hunting in Saskatchewan more exclusive, which naturally makes it more profitable for those who remain in the system. That is exactly why people are concerned about commercialization and why the McGraw principles matter in this discussion.
 
The limit or decrease applied to outfitters, not freelancers. The SCPO is taking the initiative to limit or decrease the amount of outfitted hunters in SK at or below current levels, as I've stated more than once.

I have read through this thread again and have been trying to keep up with it and I have some questions that I don't think I saw the answers to in this thread......

Here in FL, there is a distinction between outfitters and guides and from what I am thinking I am understanding from this thread, the definition of outfitter is very different up there. So, what is the definition of an outfitter in Sask?

What is the definition of an outfitted hunter? The person who is guiding and getting paid to take people or the person who is paying to be taken?

How does two five-day hunts for non-residents cut down on outfitters? Is the person who is procuring access and providing gear to paying clients required to have a hunting license? If so, then why not lobby for a separate hunting license requirement that limits the number of days a non-resident can outfit for? Why lobby for all non-residents to be limited to the number of days a person can hunt?

Or, why not put a limit on the percentage of outfitter "tags" allowed like some states do for big game permits? For example, in many states big game draws put a limit saying that only 10% of the tags for this animal can go to non-residents. Why not just lobby for something like that? Only 10% of outfitter "tags" can go to non-residents. Why lobby for a reduction in the number of days a non-resident can hunt? I think I understand the reasoning, but I guess today I really need it spelled out for me.

If the info is accurate that was posted earlier that residents are the biggest offenders of illegal guiding (I haven't done the research to back that statement up), how does restricting non-resident days address the problem of illegal guiding?
 
I have read through this thread again and have been trying to keep up with it and I have some questions that I don't think I saw the answers to in this thread......

Here in FL, there is a distinction between outfitters and guides and from what I am thinking I am understanding from this thread, the definition of outfitter is very different up there. So, what is the definition of an outfitter in Sask?

What is the definition of an outfitted hunter? The person who is guiding and getting paid to take people or the person who is paying to be taken?

How does two five-day hunts for non-residents cut down on outfitters? Is the person who is procuring access and providing gear to paying clients required to have a hunting license? If so, then why not lobby for a separate hunting license requirement that limits the number of days a non-resident can outfit for? Why lobby for all non-residents to be limited to the number of days a person can hunt?

Or, why not put a limit on the percentage of outfitter "tags" allowed like some states do for big game permits? For example, in many states big game draws put a limit saying that only 10% of the tags for this animal can go to non-residents. Why not just lobby for something like that? Only 10% of outfitter "tags" can go to non-residents. Why lobby for a reduction in the number of days a non-resident can hunt? I think I understand the reasoning, but I guess today I really need it spelled out for me.

If the info is accurate that was posted earlier that residents are the biggest offenders of illegal guiding (I haven't done the research to back that statement up), how does restricting non-resident days address the problem of illegal guiding?
Dani,
If the decision makers asked these same questions, we probably would not have this discussion today. It is important to ask the right questions to get the correct answers. I can answer some of your questions but not all. The way I have always understood it, an outfitter owns the business and the guides are employed by the outfitter to guide his hunters. How a five day license cuts down on illegal operations, I do not understand either. If an individual is breaking a law, passing another law would not likely stop them any more than the first. I won't touch on allocation of tags or licenses other than to say that is how big game is handled and is problematic as well. Since I am the one who posted that the majority of illegal operations were ran by Canadian citizens, I will address that directly. Prior to this discussion I was in favor with the rule because at first I believed the press releases. Then I started doing some digging on the internet about illegal guiding operations in Saskatchewan. Low and behold the vast majority of cases that were posted involved Canadian citizens. One can only reason that this was merely a smear campaign, not unlike what I witnessed in the Dakotas, about nonresident hunters. The more I study, the better I understand that the problem we face is the reclassification of hunting from recreation to commerce.
RM
 
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In SK, as stated above, a 'guide' is just someone employed by a licensed outfitter, or the outfitter themselves acting as a guide. An outfitted hunter is the client. Guides have to carry a card with them that identifies them as associated with a licensed outfitter. All of our vehicles and trailers are required to have our outfitter number clearly visible on them. All of my vehicles have large logos and numbers on them, while some outfitters have only a number that is visible only from a short distance.

The media headline about the freelnace rule changes is misleading. It's my understanding that hunting pressure (on the land, not the resource) has been the main goal of the changes. They could in theory prevent some non residents from running illegal outfits, but like someone said locals are also doing this and without enforcement that won't change.

On the outfitter side, we are indeed aiming to at least limit the amount of outfitted hunters in the province at current levels. The goal of this is, again, to address increased pressure on hunting land in the form of limits on individual outfitters, as well as the sector as a whole in the form of limiting It's total size (measured bybthe total number of outfitted clients each year). I personally am in favor of this, if not a reduction, to ensure that we can continue to provide quality hunts to out clients and not be an undue pain in the ass to the landowners and farmers. Not all outfitters agree, but that is the position the SCPO.
 
In SK, as stated above, a 'guide' is just someone employed by a licensed outfitter, or the outfitter themselves acting as a guide. An outfitted hunter is the client. Guides have to carry a card with them that identifies them as associated with a licensed outfitter. All of our vehicles and trailers are required to have our outfitter number clearly visible on them. All of my vehicles have large logos and numbers on them, while some outfitters have only a number that is visible only from a short distance.

The media headline about the freelnace rule changes is misleading. It's my understanding that hunting pressure (on the land, not the resource) has been the main goal of the changes. They could in theory prevent some non residents from running illegal outfits, but like someone said locals are also doing this and without enforcement that won't change.

On the outfitter side, we are indeed aiming to at least limit the amount of outfitted hunters in the province at current levels. The goal of this is, again, to address increased pressure on hunting land in the form of limits on individual outfitters, as well as the sector as a whole in the form of limiting It's total size (measured bybthe total number of outfitted clients each year). I personally am in favor of this, if not a reduction, to ensure that we can continue to provide quality hunts to out clients and not be an undue pain in the ass to the landowners and farmers. Not all outfitters agree, but that is the position the SCPO.
Adam,
I don’t want to drag this out, but I keep coming back to the same concern. These regulations put most of the pressure on freelancers, and they don’t actually fix the land‑pressure issue you’ve described. When the number of outfitted hunts is capped, basic supply and demand takes over: fewer available spots mean higher prices. That benefits outfitters, not freelancers.

At the same time, more land ends up tied to commercial access, which leaves fewer places for freelancers to hunt. And that won’t just affect Americans. Canadian freelancers will feel it too, because tighter supply always pushes people toward the paid side of the system.
 
I’ve followed this thread for a while and mostly stayed out of it, but I guess I’ll finally weigh in.

I’ve hunted the prairie provinces since 1995 and worked in migratory game bird management in North America for 45 years. When I first started hunting Alberta and Saskatchewan, things were very different. Back then it was illegal for landowners to take payment for hunting access (that changed in the 2000s as outfitting interests grew). Most farmers were happy to let respectful freelance hunters hunt their land, and a lot of them openly disliked outfitters. The first thing I was usually asked when I knocked on a door was, “You’re not with an outfitter, are you?”

In my first 15 years hunting up there, I was turned down exactly once—and that was because family was coming to hunt. In all my years of flyway management, I don’t remember anyone from CWS or the provincial agencies ever talking about American freelance hunters being some major problem. About half of all migratory bird hunting permits sold in Canada go to US hunters so if freelance American hunters were a serious problem then it would have been discussed.

Unfortunately, things have changed on both sides of the border. Years ago, not many hunters traveled far from home, and even fewer crossed into another country to hunt. Now travel is easier, information spreads instantly online, scouting tools and hunting technology are far more advanced, and hunting itself has become more commercialized. At the same time, we’ve lost hunters overall, agriculture has changed dramatically, family farms have consolidated, and access has become increasingly tied to money.

That combination has created a lot more competition for places to hunt and for the dollars non-resident hunters bring into rural communities.

But I think legislation like this misses the real issue. It’s framed around illegal guiding or too many American hunters, but in my opinion the bigger issue is commercialization and who benefits financially from access. I’m sure some U.S. outfitters have operated illegally in Canada, but the penalties are serious, both in Canada and when crossing back into the U.S. My experience has been that most operate legally.

What I’ve seen much more of over the years is the growth of large Canadian-based outfitting operations. Some hire people whose full-time job is driving roads, scouting birds, locking up permission, leasing land access, and effectively pushing freelance hunters out of the picture. That—not ordinary freelance hunters—is what has really changed the landscape.

The frustrating part is that policies like this end up hitting the wrong people. Freelance hunters are easy targets because they don’t have lobbyists or organized business interests behind them.

And rural communities will feel it too. Freelance hunters spread money around small towns—motels, gas stations, restaurants, grocery stores, hardware stores. That money matters. Concentrating more opportunity into a smaller outfitting sector doesn’t help communities nearly as much as people think it does.

From a biological standpoint, I also don’t see much justification for these kinds of restrictions. Waterfowl harvest is managed at the continental level through cooperative flyway management and population modeling. I’m not aware of evidence showing freelance non-resident hunters are creating a conservation problem.

I also think something gets lost in these discussions: relationships. A lot of prairie landowners have hunted friendships with American hunters that go back decades. Some genuinely prefer that kind of non-commercial arrangement. Policies like this take some of that choice away from landowners too.

More than anything, I worry about where all this leads. Wildlife has traditionally been treated as a public resource under the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. But little by little, we keep moving toward a pay-to-play system where access increasingly goes to whoever can pay the most. You can already see that trend in parts of Alberta, Manitoba, and the Dakotas.

Hunters also need to be honest with ourselves here. We can be our own worst enemies sometimes. If we don’t figure out how to protect broad public access and respect each other—resident and non-resident alike—we’re eventually going to end up with a system where only wealthy people can realistically afford to hunt.

And once that happens, we won’t get it back.
I think you nailed better than most. Especially on the relationships we have made with many of the local people in the areas we hunt year in and out.
 
There's the way people think it should be, and there's the way it is. Some people dont't like the idea of profiting from harvesting a shared resource. Some people think non-resident waterfowl freelancing shouldn't be a thing at all in SK, and it should be outfitted-only like big game. Some people think non-residents should not be allowed to hold an SK outfitting license. The fact is we have all of these things, and not everyone is going to be happy. Non-residents can still hunt here, just not an unlimited number for an unlimited number of days. I will still be able to operate, but not to grow unrestricted (assuming the allocation model is indeed announce this summer), which I think is reasonable given we are dealing with a natural resource.
 
I can only speak for myself, but hunters that choose an outfitter are not only the rich and famous, as seems to be the stereotype here. Our clients are a mix of the economic spectrum; some dentists, some firefighters. To be fair, we are at the lower end of the price range in the province. There are definitely some that only the wealthy could afford. Wealthy or not, they choose outfitters partly because they tried freelancing and prefer to pay someone else to do the scouting while they shoot. They can get more hunting in a shorter period of time. Plus our cooking is better than you'll get at any restaurant!
Their dollars spent here contribute to the economy just the same as a freelancer's.
 
If a citizen of the US owns a fishing camp or cabin or lake frontage and spends the summer .He will have guests , family members and friends rotate throughout the summer months and takes them fishing. is he acting as a guide? I don't recall any law against taking a grandson fishing. Maybe the lawmakers have not got around to that ...yet.
With all the snowbirds coming from N of the Us border to winter in our southern states, shouldn't there be a study on how this impacts our communities. How many days do they get to hunt and fish while our guests? If our waterfowl are truly a shared resource, make the law reciprocal.
 
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