Hailing all NY hunters, SAFE Act as it pertains to ammo purchases and licenses

John L

John L

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I have been speaking with the state police in Albany over the last several months about getting my new ammunition sellers permit. The forms just became available around January 10th and had to be postmarked by Jan15, the day the new law went into effect. So, as we all now know, you can no longer purchase ammo online and it now has to be a face to face transaction.

My new permit just arrived but did not contain any instructions as to background checks and record keeping. So I called again to get clarification as to what I need to do and what information needs to be recorded and for how long. The short story is NY State still does not have a background system in place and the Feds will not allow NY to use the NICS system, so, no background checks for now and also no records of transactions needs to be recorded for now. They said they will notify licensed ammo sellers if and when the system is properly in place.

In addition, the DEC's system for hunting licenses is still down and they don't know when that will be up and running again.

If you hunt in NY, save your old license as proof that you took a hunter safety course because they have lost everyone's information and at present they do not have a way to get the information back. It appears it has been purged from the new system when they tried to migrate the info over.
What this means is that every hunter that can not produce an old license or hunters safety certificate will have to take the classes over again.

What I found most troubling is that the system has been down since mid December and there is no way for them to even issue a license, as we found out last week. When I spoke to the regional DEC office to ask what someone should do if they can't get a license I was told to have them make a "fake license" that has their name, address and all the other usual information that the license would have on it and to include a note saying they had tried to get a license but due to the system failure they were unable to do so.

If stopped by any LEO you will need to present this "fake license" so you do not get a summons. The DEC plans to check all the names form any stops this season and they will be checking to make sure you have purchased a new license when they become available. If you don't they will be issuing a summons via mail to you for not following up and purchasing the license when they become available.

You have to love this state. It still amazes me that they can pass these laws and have no way of tracking or enforcing them.
 
John~

Thanks very much for posting this. I have been tracking the (so-called) SAFE Act ammo provisions (I think I'm OK through age 70....) but had not heard about the licensing system problems.

All the best,

SJS
 
Steve,

The officer I have been speaking with was equally frustrated because they are not giving him any direction as to how they are going to get this whole system in place. They are just telling him that it will need to be enforced. The million dollar question is "how" to which they still don't have a clue....
 
I knew the ammo checks were on hold- but it still means i cannot order my RST shells for vintage guns

i wonder what they mean by lost all license info -- since I have a lifetime sportsman, losing who has what will be a mess

although - then prince andrew can say we don't need a gun at all if we can't hunt
 
I knew the ammo checks were on hold- but it still means i cannot order my RST shells for vintage guns

i wonder what they mean by lost all license info -- since I have a lifetime sportsman, losing who has what will be a mess

although - then prince andrew can say we don't need a gun at all if we can't hunt
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Rick,


Specifically, they have lost all the information on hunters safety certificates and other personal information.
 
John, typical government move. Called Albany and asked what fee will be collected, to be determined. Most companies just won't send to NYS any longer.
If the liberals keep going we won't have shooting, zoos or the like.
 
I knew the ammo checks were on hold- but it still means i cannot order my RST shells for vintage guns

i wonder what they mean by lost all license info -- since I have a lifetime sportsman, losing who has what will be a mess

although - then prince andrew can say we don't need a gun at all if we can't hunt
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Rick,


Specifically, they have lost all the information on hunters safety certificates and other personal information.


well- I still have my safety certificate - but it's on papyrus in a dead language

when I used it as documentation for a firearms license when shooting in Scotland, the gentleman requesting proof of training said "this is old" I said "so am I"
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Data purged during migration my a$$. This is clearly a result of corrupt politicians over reaching and abusing their powers. I don't buy any excuse they have. It's their way or the highway. Treasonistic Unconstitutional Dictators.
 
John, all ffls automaticly get there's. No details yet??? When you got the license, did you get any instructions???
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Rich,

Thats good, I didn't know how it worked if you have a FFL's.
I did not receive any instructions at all. With everything they have been saying , I was expecting a book of regulations and forms. Thats why I called Albany after receiving it. I figured they were going to say it was online or in another packet that would come later. Nope, just said don't worry about it until notified at a later date that will be determined when they have a system in place.
 
John,

And I thought I had it bad here in Illinois. I bought a boat back in Aug of 2013 and I'm still waiting for my registration and hull tags. I can't even get any information as to when I'll get them because no one in our capital will answer the phone. I have heard Illinois has outsourced that work to Tennessee because we don't have enough money to pay state workers...LOL

When I moved to Arkansas in the late 80's I had thought I walked into the dark ages. All my contact and personnel information was jotted down in a loose leaf notebook at the revenuers office. Drivers license, car titles, voter registration, hunting and fishing information as well. I never had a problem with getting or renewing any of it. Something to be said of the old ways. Good luck to you guys out there.
 
At this point in NY's history and politics I'm not sure how anyone could stand to live in a state taking away rights as they're as avid hunters and shooters. Seems that they will make it so much trouble to hunt and buy ammo that maybe guys will just stop. It's a travesty to see this happening in our country, my heart goes out to you guys out in NY.
 
Seems that they will make it so much trouble to hunt and buy ammo that maybe guys will just stop.
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Ding, ding, ding.....you win the prise.
I think that is exactly what they are trying to do.
 
I read a survey of personal and economic freedoms in all 50 states. NY was ranked dead last, yes... #50, the least free state in the union!

When we have a governor who states "those who are pro life, pro 2nd amendment and pro traditional marriage have no place in the State of New York" and then the Mayor of NYC backs him 100% on that statement.... you know we are in trouble.

Freedom isn't free, and these liberals are taking it away from us more and more every day until they have their "utopia". If I could move out of this state, I would do it tomorrow...

95% of all the counties in NY passed resolutions against the SAFE Act, the NY Sherriffs Association is against it and the State Police have no way of enforcing much of it. Once again, mindless government trolls making laws about a subject they know nothing about. For those of you out of state, our Gov made it illegal to load more than 7 rounds in any handgun or rifle magazine in the hopes of making all guns that take more than 7 rounds illegal by defacto law. He was too stupid to put a provision in for police officers and for over a month every police officer in NY State was a felon. The 7 round rule was recently overturned by a Federal appeals court. There are a ton of other provisions of this law that make no sense and dont accomomplish anything but making felons out of law abiding citizens.

The background check system for ammo purchases not in place and the hunting license system being down dont surprise me.... typical NY!

All of you in Free America have no idea how good you have it....
 
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