Jim Zumbo
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Brian F.
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Possibly.
But I'll admit, I had never heard of the guy until this past week. And while he most likely committed career suicide, He may have started a new pro-2nd amendment movement. Maybe, inadvertently, he just did the single greatest thing in his career...?
I truly think that most folks agree that we (law abiding gun owners) need to do whatever we can to protect our rights to arms ownership. Never mind whether your 'gun' of choice is a fine Parker double, or SKS, a Colt pistol, or a Sears Ted Williams pump shotgun. (Made by Winchester for Sears-Robuck, and my first 12 ga.)
I personally have no use for military style weapons, nor handguns. But I would never bash anyone for possessing, owning, and using these types of firearms legally. I'll also admit I've been taking my freedom of the 2nd amendment for granted and have done very little to specifically help protect that freedom. That is going to change.
I have seen first hand here in MI how easily our hunting heritage can change when many so-called 'sportsman' failed to band together to protect and support one-another to get the dove bill passed. The Anti's blocked the newly formed season, convincingly used propaganda to hoodwink the masses, and poof, another hunting sport has vanished. I hate to even consider that America could go the same way as Australia....
Anyway, back to the topic of Jim "Dumbo". He opened my eyes. Perhaps not in a way as he intended, but they are opened all the same. Not that it will help his career at all....
Best,
Brian F.
Brian:
According to MSNBc Zumbo's career is over. I guess I have to sympathize with him. The bad choice of one phrase could wipe out all his good work. I guess that is the sign of our times. No second chance, one mistake and your through. It seems pretty tough to me. I don't know the man or his work so really have no business commenting on it. We had a Mong almost wipe out a Wisconsin hunting family with what had to have been a fully automatic gun. They were deer hunting and he was in one of their tree stands an argument occured and he opened fire and if I remember correctly killed four of the family at least three and wounding others. If you need more than 3 shots to kill an animal maybe you'd better go back to a range and get some instruction. My 02Cents.
Wis Boz
According to MSNBc Zumbo's career is over. I guess I have to sympathize with him. The bad choice of one phrase could wipe out all his good work. I guess that is the sign of our times. No second chance, one mistake and your through. It seems pretty tough to me. I don't know the man or his work so really have no business commenting on it. We had a Mong almost wipe out a Wisconsin hunting family with what had to have been a fully automatic gun. They were deer hunting and he was in one of their tree stands an argument occured and he opened fire and if I remember correctly killed four of the family at least three and wounding others. If you need more than 3 shots to kill an animal maybe you'd better go back to a range and get some instruction. My 02Cents.
Wis Boz
Andrew Holley
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First off, Zumbo got what he deserved. I have often read his articles in the past in Outdoor life. He is a fine writer and a smart man. Again he writes about hunting for a living and then to come out and and link owning a certain type of weapon to terrorist is just insane. That is the exact thinking we have to change and for it to come from one of our own, hurts all of us and our sport.
Second, Vang shot those people with an AK 47 type weapon, it was not a fully auto. To own a fully auto takes alot of paperwork and money. The bullet coming out the end of that barrel is no different than a 243, 30-06 or 270. The gun just looks different.
Second, Vang shot those people with an AK 47 type weapon, it was not a fully auto. To own a fully auto takes alot of paperwork and money. The bullet coming out the end of that barrel is no different than a 243, 30-06 or 270. The gun just looks different.
Andrew:
Thanks for straightening me out on that northern Wisconsin shooting. As I said previously I didn't know Zumbo and really have no business commenting on it. The last fully automatic gun that I shot was in Burma doing WW II. We went in to pull out a Loran station and a missionary and rather than haul all that ammo back into China we shot it up with what was callled a Grease gun--a wire pull out stock with interchanging barrels from a 45 to a 30 if my memory serves me right. Sorry about injecting a little history there. At the present time we are in the middle of a helluva blizzard supposedly lasting thru Sunday. Southern Wisconsin, for some reason, has gotten an old fashion winter this year.
Wis Boz
Thanks for straightening me out on that northern Wisconsin shooting. As I said previously I didn't know Zumbo and really have no business commenting on it. The last fully automatic gun that I shot was in Burma doing WW II. We went in to pull out a Loran station and a missionary and rather than haul all that ammo back into China we shot it up with what was callled a Grease gun--a wire pull out stock with interchanging barrels from a 45 to a 30 if my memory serves me right. Sorry about injecting a little history there. At the present time we are in the middle of a helluva blizzard supposedly lasting thru Sunday. Southern Wisconsin, for some reason, has gotten an old fashion winter this year.
Wis Boz
Andrew Holley
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I am sitting here is Green Bay waiting for it. As much as they have be hipping it, we probably will only end up at a dusting. But, just in case, the snowblower is ready, will be the second time this year I used it.
Andrew Holley
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I copied this off another website I visit.
Zumbo's latest response on Ted Nugent's website.
The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.
They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?
But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.
My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.
I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.
Jim Zumbo
At first I wanted him fired from Outdoor Life and all of his sponsers to drop him like a rock. I have read this twice and now don't know what to think about it. He has done so much damage, can we ever trust him again? I guess as they say, action speaks louder than word. So we will see.
Scratch that, as i re-read his apology, he comes across a quite a pompous ass. And I quote "This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets," why would we want to do that, because you screwed us worse than the opposition? "And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges" Yes they did, before you could do any more damage. Jim, what are these people dedicated to? Second Amendment rights, something you of all people should be standing up for, not giving ammo to the enemy. And lastly if this is his apology, shouldn't if have three little words "I am sorry"?
Zumbo's latest response on Ted Nugent's website.
The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.
They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?
But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.
My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.
I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.
Jim Zumbo
At first I wanted him fired from Outdoor Life and all of his sponsers to drop him like a rock. I have read this twice and now don't know what to think about it. He has done so much damage, can we ever trust him again? I guess as they say, action speaks louder than word. So we will see.
Scratch that, as i re-read his apology, he comes across a quite a pompous ass. And I quote "This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets," why would we want to do that, because you screwed us worse than the opposition? "And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges" Yes they did, before you could do any more damage. Jim, what are these people dedicated to? Second Amendment rights, something you of all people should be standing up for, not giving ammo to the enemy. And lastly if this is his apology, shouldn't if have three little words "I am sorry"?
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TimJ
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I was really hot over his comments when I first read them so I waited a day to send Outdoor Life an email. I was willing to keep getting it without him being shown the door. I actually asked that he do just what it sounds like he is doing. The damage was done as soon as he posted his blog, it was around anti-gun web sites just as fast as it was around hunting and pro-gun sites. I'm not sure Ted is the guy for him to learn AR's from but I guess that is better then going on a campaign against them.
I hate to say this but the "assault weapons" ban actually caused builders to make a more accurate and useful gun out of the AR. It wasn't a good law for honest citizens but for the gun it made a whole new rifle out of it.
I would love to have one built by this guy. Click Here You aren't going to find many bolt gun near his prices that can shoot with his .243 WSSM uppers.
Tim
I hate to say this but the "assault weapons" ban actually caused builders to make a more accurate and useful gun out of the AR. It wasn't a good law for honest citizens but for the gun it made a whole new rifle out of it.
I would love to have one built by this guy. Click Here You aren't going to find many bolt gun near his prices that can shoot with his .243 WSSM uppers.
Tim
Steve McCullough
Active member
Outdoor Life And Jim Zumbo Part Ways
By Todd. W. Smith
Editor-in-Chief
Outdoor Life magazine Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith released the following statement today regarding writer Jim Zumbo:
February 2007
In light of comments made by Jim Zumbo in his February 16, 2007 blog posting on the magazine’s website, Mr. Zumbo has offered to terminate his association with Outdoor Life, and the magazine has accepted his offer. Accordingly, he will no longer be contributing to the magazine in print or online. His final column with Outdoor Life will appear in the April 2007 issue, which has already gone to press.
We respect Mr. Zumbo's First Amendment right to free speech, and we acknowledge his subsequent apology and admission of error. However, Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with.
We regret this turn of events, as Mr. Zumbo has been a good friend to this magazine and lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights.
We appreciate the comments we've received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us. Please direct any additional comments to OLletters@time4.com.
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Kudos to Outdoor Life!
Does anyone have a copy of the original blog/statement he made?
Thanks,
Steve
By Todd. W. Smith
Editor-in-Chief
Outdoor Life magazine Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith released the following statement today regarding writer Jim Zumbo:
February 2007
In light of comments made by Jim Zumbo in his February 16, 2007 blog posting on the magazine’s website, Mr. Zumbo has offered to terminate his association with Outdoor Life, and the magazine has accepted his offer. Accordingly, he will no longer be contributing to the magazine in print or online. His final column with Outdoor Life will appear in the April 2007 issue, which has already gone to press.
We respect Mr. Zumbo's First Amendment right to free speech, and we acknowledge his subsequent apology and admission of error. However, Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with.
We regret this turn of events, as Mr. Zumbo has been a good friend to this magazine and lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights.
We appreciate the comments we've received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us. Please direct any additional comments to OLletters@time4.com.
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Kudos to Outdoor Life!
Does anyone have a copy of the original blog/statement he made?
Thanks,
Steve
D.J. Hagen
Active member
Assault Rifles For Hunters?
by Jim Zumbo
"As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.
I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.
I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."
Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."
This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods."
by Jim Zumbo
"As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.
I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.
I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."
Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."
This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods."
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harry whitley
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The "Grease Gun" had interchangeable barrells for 45 ACP and 9mm Parrabellum so that it not only could shoot US pistol ammo but could also use British and German sub gun ammo too. It was made almost entirely of stampings and the only weapon we produced any cheaper was the OSS "Liberator". Doesn't have a thing to do with Duck Boats but I thought you might like to know.
Best,
Harry
Best,
Harry
Harry:
Thanks for your input on the Grease Gun. That was 63 years ago and my memory is starting to fade. I do remember we changed the barrels to fire a different caliber after the 45's were gone. The missionary and his wife were trying to convert a village of head hunters to religion and wanted out of there fast so we had to make room for them in the 6/6 that we were driving. They gave me one of the shrunken heads from the tribe which was later stolen from me. That gun seemed like a toy but we cut a lot of trees down shooting it.
Regards,
Jim Bosanny
Thanks for your input on the Grease Gun. That was 63 years ago and my memory is starting to fade. I do remember we changed the barrels to fire a different caliber after the 45's were gone. The missionary and his wife were trying to convert a village of head hunters to religion and wanted out of there fast so we had to make room for them in the 6/6 that we were driving. They gave me one of the shrunken heads from the tribe which was later stolen from me. That gun seemed like a toy but we cut a lot of trees down shooting it.
Regards,
Jim Bosanny
John Augustine
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I got out of the reserves in 93 and we still had Grease guns issued to the crew of the tracked vehicles. They were as you described and slow, but I never saw one jam!!