Let's talk MEAT!

Eric Dellamater

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I am sure that this has been talked about before somewhere, but the search function has not been overly helpful. So I thought I would just start a new thread.

My kid would like to try making some homemade sausages, brats, italian, polish and even some summer sausage. I have never done anything with casings before. I will read up on line and all that, but what are your guys favorite sites, casings, suppliers, equipment and recipes?

Care to share some tips/success stories that we can possibly use to avoid wasting our time/money?

Thanks, I look forward to hearing from any/all of you.

Eric
 
Eric,
best site I have found.

http://www.wedlinydomowe.com/

Buy a Boston Butt and run it thru a hand grinder. Best sausage you ever had. I only do cases at my friends house. He has a very nice set up for stuffing.

Even better cold smoked.
 
I make brats and italian sausage every year about a week after deer season. This year I made 50 pounds of each and about 25 pounds of summer sausage and snack sticks. The best tip I have is to go heavy on the pork, and trim all the fat possible off the game meat (to eliminate gamey flavor). The rule of thumb that I use that drives everyone else at the butcher table crazy is "if I wouldn't want it in a steak then don't put it in the grinder". Deer butchering is a family affair ( in-laws) and they do things different than me. They don't make sauaage so they try for as many roasts and steaks as possible while I go for as much sausage meat as I can get. I think that is why they are not so fussy about what goes into the grinder. I buy pork butts ( it actually comes from the top of the front shoulder) because it has a decent amount of fat and is usually cheap, like in the .99 cent per pound range if you wait for a sale. I like to shoot for around 60/40 game meat to pork ratio. There are lots of people that prefer less pork, and if it was just me eating the final product I would use more game but I often serve this stuff to people that aren't accustomed to game meat. The other big reason to use enough pork is for the moisture, if you go too heavy on the game the final product is dry and the texture is off. I use hog casings from L&M Products for the brats and italian, and I used the 12"x1.5" fibrous casings for the summer sauage. This last year was my first year for snack sticks, I used the small collagen casings and filled them with the same summer sausage mix. I don't think I will make snack sticks again, the casing is pretty expensive and it took forever to stuff the casings. I think the snack stick meat would be better off as jerky ( don't put pork into ground meat jerky). I coarse grind the meat, mix by hand, sprinkle with seasoning and water and mix by hand again very well then run through the grinder with a fine plate. This past year I used a Cabelas 1 hp grinder with the sausage stuffing tube attachements that I borrowed from a co -worker because my grinder shot craps. I have an antique horizontal sausage stuffer/ lard press that I used to use when my grinder worked. I think you would be well served with a grinder and stuffing tubes, the foot pedal control is a huge plus and I would suggest buying the highest HP grinder you can justify. I liked the Cabelas grinder but I only used it for one session so I have idea of longevity, only that it worked well while I had it. Just like anything there is a learning curve, like knowing how full to fill the casing so that you can still twist links without bursting the casing ( when you break one empty that link and make brat burger patties/bulk sausage) but it is fun and one more way to enjoy the harvest and the craft of the hunter. I am unpacking from a recent move (just bought a house!), when I find recipes I will post them if you are interested. Good luck and enjoy.
 
Eric,

That sounds great. Nothing better than homemade sausage. I've made a very little of venison breakfast sausage before and it's easy to start if you don't make it complicated. I just mixed up the ground meat with the black pepper, sage, etc. (use more than you think you should) and make a log by rolling it with your hands inside wax paper. Twist the ends shut and freeze. When you want to try it, don't thaw, just slice off what you want while it is frozen and fry it up. Gives you a chance to try your recipes before making 30#'s of sausage you might not like.

Good Luck
 
Thanks guys, Bob, that site has lot of info in it. I can't wait to get some started, just need to decide what to do first.

I have a buddy who wants to try it to and has some of the equipment and a smoker.

Do you guys ever smoke any of your stuff or just do fresh stuff?
 
Eric,
we have had awesome results smoking the cased sausage wheels. They go in on a rack and then get cold smoked. Read up on the different temperatures for smoking on the site. Be sure to look at some of the picture gallery on home smokers.
Also has the only written info I have found on Nitrate vs Nitrite and what it does for you in the mix.
The recipes in the site are very good as well and a lot cheaper if you make them yourself with spices from the local outfit.
http://www.askthemeatman.com/beef.htm
This URL has the best mixes premade that we have tried.


Best deer butchering I have seen. My friends do it almost exactly the same.
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245289

This guys a nut, but he is one heck of a meat cutter. Best layout of a hog I have seen. Better than when we did them on the farm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA7-KCBPvss&feature=related
 
Eric,
this is a good set of pictures of a nice cold smoker.

http://cowgirlscountry.blogspot.com/2008/01/building-cold-smoker-smokehouse.html

She does her own pigs into bacon with it. She also has a good set of photos of a UDS (Ugly Drum Smoker) which is for hot smoking.

Neither is a high dollar build. Both give very good results.

The BBQ folks talk about a fatty which is a sausage roll done up with extras and served after smoking. She has a few good versions.

Here is a link to a post about three easy to make deer sausage mixes. You make the spice mix from scratch.

http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4652714/1
 
Eric,

Friends in Idaho have an annual Sausage Fest, which I haven't attended for while but threaten to. Mostly a wildgame sausage (no antelope or gamey meat allowed) sometimes temmered with pork or turkey. I think they have processed over 400 # in a day and make wide variety of sausages. I heard to keep up the demand for more meat, they even had to make a no kegs rule. I attended prior to the keg rule-we still pushed over 200# with the handicap.

They and I use the book "Great Sausage Recipes and Meat Curing" by Rytek Kutas. I think there is video as well. Old school, but straight and to the point. I have made most of the common sausages (breakfast, bratwurst, etc.) and always use Rytek's recipes as a base to initiate my artist endeavours. Made a mean moose corned "beef" one time. On casings, I think my Idaho friends use natural casings.

I will be visiting in July and check on where they get the goods.

Good luck.
 
Well last night I had a buddy come by and we ground up 10# of venison and 5# of pork butt and made some italian sausages. I was amazed at how good it tasted. I will definitely be doing this again. Bob, I want to single you out, some of those web pages were incredible, thanks for the links.

As you can see it worked awesome. I will say that natural casings did smell a bit different than I expected.

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Eric
 
Eric,
that looks like a great batch.
Did you make more than one spice mix?

Those are some nice looking eats. Did you try smoking any yet?


I am very glad you like the links. I have been saving food bookmarks for a while and have had a blast making some stuff that the moms used to make on the farm I grew up on.
Never was taught how to cook so I look for any help I can get.

I do have two friends who I think can cook a shoe and make it taste great.

They are my guide.

I see a cold smoker in your future!
 
Bob, I used only one spice batch. I found this on the net and it seemed to really fit what I wanted. Just enough spice that you feel some heat, but yet most of the "softer folk" could/would still eat it and not run screaming for the beverages. I guess Pete you would call it a sweet one. I will say those little spice containers you can buy have 4 TBSP of spice in them so I bought 2 for the fennel and ended up putting in 8 TBSP instead of 7.

I have not tried smoking too much yet. I have a cheap old electric one that I have not fired up yet, but I have a buddy who is into smoking meats who helped me so I can see going that road in the near future.

Italian
10 pounds venison
5 pounds pork butts
2 cups of cold red wine
7T salt
7T fennel
6T black pepper
1T ground coriander
3t red pepper flakes
2t oregano
1t garlic powder
2t sugar
1 1/2 t caraway seeds

this was fool proof and very easy to do. Heck it only took 3 hours from set up to clean up.

thanks again for all the help/links.
 
Eric,
that sounds very good. Hope you had a little help eating all that.

I never used wine. Sounds like a good idea. Your cased sausage looks awesome. Natural is the way to fly with the cases.

You can do loops or smoke the whole roll if you get that far next time. Both work. A cold smoked sausage is a real treat.

Keep us posted.
 
bob, have you tried the collegen casings instead of the natural? I have one that was given to me, I will try that next just to see what it was like. Just wondering your experience.
 
We always use the natural.

I have eaten plenty of meat in the other cases. Its fine.

In the town next door there is a butcher shop that has a commercial soupy kitchen as part of the operation. My friend helps when they need carpentry. We get what ever we need for sausage there. They go thru truck loads of pork butts and natural casings making the dry cured soupy. Triple hot is my fav. and the kids even eat it too!

Westerly RI is famous for its basement soupy kitchens. A real treat to have a friend with some home made.


http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/10/nyregion/a-dash-of-tradition-and-voila-sausage.html
 
What kinda sausage maker do y'all recommend? I bought one of those hand crank things from Gander Mountain and it took me all night to make 10 lbs of goose sausage.

Ed.
 
i've been messing with collegen casings they work good (making goose snack sticks) i just can't get them to adhear to the meat the way i'd like i was on anouther web site and they said to try stuffing right after seasoning and let sit in frig over night and dip in ice water after smoking to stop the cooking going to try this weekend
 
Ed,
I have ground a full 10 lb Boston Butt in an old Universal hand grinder that was my grandfathers with my kids, but it was a lot of work. We hand pressed it thru a horn. That is how they did it back in his day.
My buddy uses an electric grinder he got at walmart for his deer sausage.
But we have another close friend who has a garage room for doing meat and over the years we have built it up. There is a mixer from one of the closed school kitchens and a grinder that came from a government auction, along with two 7 foot maple top tables that were made when they redid a local bowling alley. Big scale to get the weight to spice ratios. Stove to test before casing. And a pair of big fridges to cool meat early in the season.

Our buddy with the cold smoker likes a stuffer http://www.askthemeatman.com/grinders_and_stuffers.htm for casing the meat. He uses both natural and the others for snack sticks. He swears the meat has a better texture being stuffed by a press vs. the grinder. I cant tell, but I know the cold smoke makes any sausage really good. If it gets too hot during smoking it is not the same.

We use the big electric grinder with a horn on the last pass thru the finer plate for our game dinner. Only stuff natural casing with this rig. This is us. a 50 lb batch of three different game meats and spice mixes.

If I was going to be doing a medium amount alone I would look at one of the electric grinders with a stuffer horn. Northern or Bass Pro or Cabelas.
 
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