Next duck boat project, ON THE WATER!

Jon Yenulonis

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I finally had a chance to dig out my 'ole ZT Widgeon this afternoon. It sat all winter under several tarps and stringers. None the worse for wear. One little spot that was a little damp, but no damage.


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Over the next few months, give or take, I'm going to be refurbishing her up and getting her ready for next season. I already have nice, removable decoy racks and a good solid hatch. Boat has been custom fitted to the old, galvanized second hand, freebie trailer, and I believe I have most all of the materials I'll need.


Plans will include touching up the paint on the decking. When I built this boat, I intentionally did not glass the top because I love the look of the wood. On the inside, where it can't really be seen, I gave the entire boat two good coats of marine Spar Varnish and it's held up well. Where it can be seen, I also painted her with Dead Marsh Grass enamel. I will touch up the fibreglass here and there, although that need appears to be minimal. The last thing I did to her a few years ago, was add three white oak runners along the bottom. One along the keel, and one towards the edge of the bottom of the hull on each side. I'll give those a coat of glass and resin, then paint them for a little added protection. I may even add a thin aluminum strip to the bottom of those runners for even more protection against the rocks and mud.


Next will be a fancy shmancy Dodger. I really like the one Dave Diefenderfer has on his boat, and he was kind enough to share step by step photos of how he and his Mother fabricated his. I do plan however, on making all of the attachement hardware that I can with what I have available, and buying as little as necessary, (trying to keep with the "homemade" tradition I have going). I have a couple of aluminum poles, plenty of small pieces of aluminum angles and such to fabricate the attachement points. I dug up some old medium duty marine canvas material in a dark tan that should be perfect for it. It came from an old blind I made for a boat I used to have. It's in plenty good shape and even has a few spray-painted pseudo camo stripes here and there.


After that will be a little wiring. I want to add a small battery and running lights so I'll be legal on the local public lakes. I'll probably add a 12v plug for a phone charger or light or what have you.


Somewhere along the refurbish I wall add a good, solid oak outboard bracket. I then have to find a good old lightweight 2 stroke, around 5 hp to power her with. I definitely want a motor with F-N-R and preferrably with a built-in gas tank, but I'll have to shop around and figure exactly what will work best.


Although this whole project shouldn't be anything different or spectacular, I'll be sure to post plenty of photos as I go along.


Jon
 
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Jon~

VERY nice vessel! It certainly bespeaks excellent craftsmanship - congratulations!

Just one thought: I have come to prefer treated lumber (Southern Yellow Pine) over White Oak for motorboards. Here is one I made for a friend's South Bay Scooter:

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I coat mine with 2 coats of marine epoxy - then paint. It is bolted throught the transom with galvanized carriage bolts and plenty of 3M 5200. The spacers act as standoffs if you have a lip or trim across the top of the transom AND they allow your fingers to get behind it if you need to lift the boat from behind. Also, I use a Forstner bit to bore the shallow holds to receive the motor clamps and keep the OB from torquing off the board.

Here's to boatbuilding weather!

SJS
 
Thanks for the reply Steve, I actually thought of your photos and comments as inspiration for several of the updates.


As a matter of fact, I was considering those exact photos while I plan for the motor board.


Even though I've worked, with treated wood my entire adult life, I still have a hard time warming up to the idea of using it anywhere near a boat. I would have to make sure it is extremely dry, and seal it as you did. The new treated wood preservatives are extremely corrosive, especially around moisture. For a profession, I do home modifications for the handicapped and elderly. We build a LOT of wheelchair ramps with treated wood. It takes only a winter for it to eat thru aluminum, wherever it comes into contact with it. If youve had good luck with it, I'll trust your judgement and I may just change my mind for this project, however. In my shop, I have a short piece of Treated Yellow Pine that's been inside drying for several years. I really like your idea of boring out the motor clamp holds and will be doing that. I do plan on adding the stand-offs also, but since the transom on the ZT boat is what I would call "flat", (no angle), I was thinking I would angle them a bit to allow for the motor board to be mounted at a slight angle, more conducive to proper motor mounting. I also intend on installing an eye bolt to attach a cable to the motor with, for Justin (case).


I am sooooo looking forward to working on this little craft. I've been thinking about it most every day for the past year or so, timing just wasn't right until now.


Jon
 
Jon~

I understand your thoughts about treated lumber. The piece I used was some 2 x 10 that had been kicking around the shop for many years - probably some of the older CCA - but took the epoxy very nicely.

All the best,

SJS
 
Ahhh yes. You are due for a project.

Jon, I myself am in search if a boat, didn't know if you knew that? Lol. I can second the obsession these things can bring.
 
Had the chance to do a little work on my Sneak Box this weekend. It may seem logical to paint the deck before doing the work I accomplished today, however, I came up with the idea that perhaps I may make a mistake and have to make a change or two along the way. Better to fit it all, make sure it works the way I like, then disassemble and THEN repair/paint and reassemble. At least it seemed logical to me...


As I stated earlier, in keeping with tradition, I want to make or fabricate as much as possible myself. I started out with a pair of brackets to which I will attach the main hoop for the Spray Curtain/Dodger. Made these out of a piece of aluminum I had laying around. It was cut from a piece of "F" channel. Worked pretty well, I'd say.


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Next came the main hoop itself. I used aluminum electrical conduit. While it may not be the perfect choice, it was real easy to obtain, quite malleable and cheap too. I wish I had a photo of how I bent it though, but I didn't think of it until I was finished. I just wrapped it around my propane tank! Almost perfect arc. After that I just "eye-balled" and took a few opposing measurements until I liked the way it looked. Next, the coming that I will attach the bottom of the skirt to. I used a piece of scrap PVC here, screwed and epoxied to the deck. New wave material, but it was here. I cut the angle to match that of the arc of the deck and the angle of the canvas to hoop. I will caulk the perimeter before I paint.


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Then, the actual "dodger" part of the spray skirt. I made these little wrap around brackets out of a piece of aluminum that I cut and wrapped around a scrap of tubing. The hoop I wrapped around the propane tank as I did with the other.


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The screws in the photos will be replaced with Stainless Steel before final assembly. I will have to buy these...


Moving along...


Jon
 
Does anybody in the know, know if most small outboards have the same basic clamping dimensions?


I want to make a motor bracket up like Steve Sanford's as detailed above, but I don't actually have a motor yet.


Jon
 
Hi, Jon~

Great craftsmanship!

Not sure about the placement of OB clamps - I suspect they are NOT standard among the different brands.

One option - especially for a guy who is adept with metals - would be to build and seal the motor board itself out of wood and epoxy and then screw on and bed a plate of brass or aluminum that has cutouts for the specific motor you get.

All the best,

SJS
 
Thanks for the great reply!


About how wide should I make it? I have the height ok. Or at least I will do as the plans call for.


Funny, I was looking around and found this somewhere on the 'net. I figured that is pretty much exactly what I will do. Well, maybe not exactly, but what you described. I'll be sure to add an eyehook too. It hasn't happened to me, yet, and I stress "YET", but why take the chance?


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Jon, looks like we're on the same project. I too used EMT conduit which I bent around a wooden form I made and screwed to my backbench. I used regular fittings. Took a little electric tape on the male parts and a little drilling in the female parts. I'll put a screw in each to secure them. Still need to fabricate a coming to keep water from going under the fabric, I will also be using some PVC I have left from another project. Then it will be time to break out the sewing machine.

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Found out last year when building my dodger that when it comes time to develop pattern for cover material heavy weight poly. makes a great pattern material. Drape is similar to cordura/canvas and you can see thru it for marking areas that you will need for referance. Once satisfied with pattern it can be used for traceing onto final material. Saves some waste of fabric.
 
The heavy poly is a good idea. I actually bought pattern material from sailrite. It is clear plastic reinforced with fibers so it doesn't stretch. The fibers also make a good reference grid. The sailrite website shows to use double sided tape on the deck/frame so you can stick the plastic to it while laying out the different pieces.
 
I will be using good, 'ole fashioned cotton canvas duck material and all of the problems that go with it. Mainly because I have it laying around. I bought it and made a blind for my old boat with it about twenty-five years ago. It's been stored for about the last twenty two or three years and is in like new shape. We'll see...


Jon
 
I cut up a worn out poly tarp for my patterns. Jon, use the cotton duck, and simply paint it oil based paint to waterproof it. I ended up painting the codura anyway... and the waterproof backing fails where the folds/creases are anyway. I used shoe goo from underneath after a couple seasons where I could see light through.
 
I haven't done a whole lot to mine yet. Been busy with other things.


I have been collecting pieces/parts for the run to the finish. I just picked up a nice, little, 6 HP Evinrude outboard for her.


My next step will be a little sanding and a couple new coats of epoxy on the hull. Then the fun begins. Wiring and lights, Motor board, a couple coats of paint, and somewhere along the time frame-finish the canvas part of the dodger.


I just need a free weekend...


Jon
 
I need to make a new spray shield/dodger for my boat, too. I have the old one for a pattern. I thought about sending it up to Dave Clark but economics may force me to do it myself, or at least attempt it myself.

I've thought about making a complete blind that zips up pretty snug for the boat; however, I bought another layout blind the other day for a good deal. I may try to adapt it to the boat by removing the frame work.

I do like the canvas work that Dave Clark does. I wish he was closer....

Fred
 
Did a little tinkerin' on the 'Ole Wood Boat this evening. If I hustle, I may be able to get her out a little later in the season. (That's my hope, anyways...).


First thing I did was remove all of the trim that wasn't glued on. When I built this boat many years ago, I basically used what I had available to me at the time. Around the top of the chine, (I think), I had used bed moulding. Not what is typically used, but worked perfectly and looked good. A worry I had over time, was the type of wood-cherry. I thought maybe it wouldn't hold up, but after a couple coats of paint and thirty or so years, has held up just fine. On top of that, where it meets the decking, I used half round to finish it off. I think it looked just fine. Well I stripped that all off. The bed moulding is in good shape, the half round broke apart, so I'll replace that with new wood. Another potential problem was- I put it all together, then painted. I think this could be a weak spot if moisture were to get between the trim and boat. This time, I am going to give the hull a couple coats of US Composites Epoxy. originally, I gave the boat a total of three coats. It's in pretty good shape, but I want to improve on that a bit. The deck will get two coats of Spar Urethane. Then I will re-install the trim, caulk the seams, install the motor board, then give her a couple coats of good Enamel.


An observer may think at this point, that the deck should be glassed. I have the knowledge, capability, and most likely the materials, but I REALLY like the look of the wood grain so I'm going to leave it that way.


Here she is after the removal of the trim and a little sanding on the deck:


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Until next time...


Jon
 
I haven't worked on mine either. Life got REAL complicated the last two months. Haven't had time to do much of anything. I'm hoping things will calm down soon.
 
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