Went shed hunting yesterday afternoon.

Yukon Mike

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We didn't really mean to, but I locked the keys in the truck and me and Mac and Marcus had to walk to a phone. We had passed a cabin with smoke about a mile back so off we went through the hills, with the dogs. It took us abut an hour or so to get there, called Jane, and headed back towards the truck. There was deer sign everywhere but we have walked those hills before with no luck.

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We found this bad boy laying about 10 feet from a dinky small bleached out version. It is the biggest one we've ever found and it was on Indian land so he is safe from hunters as long as he doesn't wander off. The base is actually only 5.5" Circumference, but up where it forks the first time is 11.5" C. Furthest point to the base is 19". Definately an interesting antler. It would be nice to find more too! Mac and Marcus and Jud are heading out this afternoon to look for elk sheds, but we've never found one yet. There are some big fellas around though. I took this picture of a nice ditch elk last fall. Be nice to find one or two of those eh?

Mike

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SWEET!!!

I get beat to the sheds every year... by the squirrels and probably the guys who poach the dang deer when they're big enough... I'm getting a hawk for the first solution, and the second... well- the law will pick them up someday- Good find Mike- wish the sheds I do find are in that condition- great color!
 
Do you ever find sheds in pairs, relatively close together? Never found them that way in Northern New England myself, though my nephew asked "why not"? Hmm, didn't have an answer. Any ideas?
thanks...
 
When I lived in Manitoba as a kid we often found pairs, but that's because we looked around grain bins alot. The deer had been hanging out there all winter. In the bush I'd usually find singles. With caribou though it is quite common to find pairs. I would imagine that by the shear size of them, that when one falls off, the other feels really weird alone. With moose though I've only ever found singles and you'd think a 20 lb horn on one side would be really annoying. I've only found one big elk antler in my life and it was a single.

Anyone else know?

Mike
 
They don't just pop off..and deer are always on the move. I saw a buck one year that had one horn kinda hanging by a thread and the other was missing..just a bloody hole in his head. I think they get knocked off while moving through the woods..but that doesn't explain the ones in an open field.
 

Antler Shedding


In the past, it was believed that deer withdrew to secluded places to shed
their antlers in order to avoid the loss of virility in 'public.' However,
it is likely that deer are unaware of when they will lose their antlers.
Antlers are shed when a thin layer of tissue destruction, called the
abscission layer, forms between the antler and the pedicle. This layer
forms as a result of the decrease in testosterone. As the connective
tissue is dissolved, the antler loosens and is either broken free, or
falls off on its own. This degeneration of the bone-to-bone bond between
the antler and the pedicle is the fastest deterioration of living tissue
known in the animal kingdom.


In whitetails, a restricted diet has been found to cause bucks to shed
their antlers early. It has been suspected that the lack of adequate
nutrition somehow effects testosterone output. Nutritionally-stressed
bucks may also grow their antlers and shed their velvet later. Older-aged
bucks are thought to shed their antlers earlier than younger bucks. It has
also been reported that higher-ranked (more dominant) bucks cast their
antlers sooner than lower-ranked (subordinant) bucks. Older-aged, more
dominant bucks probably shed their antlers sooner because of the high
energy costs incurred in maintaining a higher dominance rank.


The farther deer are from the equator, the more defined their antler
cycle. In other words, northern deer have a shorter "window" of when
antler shedding can occur, compared to deer herds in southern states. In
addition, the specific date when a buck will shed his antlers may be
determined more by his individual antler cycle than any other factor. This
cycle is independent of other bucks and is believed to be centered on each
animal's birth date.


Penned deer studies have allowed scientists to measure the exact dates of
antler shedding for individual deer year after year. One study in
Mississippi found that individual bucks usually shed their antlers at the
same time each year and almost always during the same week. Yearling bucks
with only spike antlers shed sooner than yearling bucks with forked
antlers, likely because they were more nutritionally stressed than
fork-antlered bucks. This study also indicated there was no relationship
between antler mass and date of antler shedding, although other studies
have shown that bucks shed their antlers earlier as they grow older.
Additional penned studies have also revealed that bucks usually shed both
antlers within three days of each other.


Although there is no clear evidence that weather directly affects antler
shedding, it is likely that severe winters may also cause bucks to shed
their antlers earlier than normal because of the nutritional stress this
causes.


Why Do Bucks Shed Antlers?


We have examined the environmental and physiological changes that occur to
cause bucks to shed their antlers every year, but we still haven't
addressed the question of why bucks shed antlers. Why do bucks spend so
much energy in growing antlers, only to shed these antlers a few months
later, forcing them to reinvest an enormous amount of energy to regrow the
antlers again the following year? Why don¹t deer antlers stay attached and
continue to grow throughout life like the horns of sheep, goats, and
cattle?


Scientists have pondered these same questions for many years and they
still do not know the answers. However, several theories have been
developed to explain why antlers are shed every year. One of the most
common theories is that bucks shed their antlers annually so that they
have the potential to replace any damage to antlers that may have occurred
in the form of broken tines, or a broken main beam. This theory seems
valid because antlers are extremely important in display for acquiring
females and because they are used during dominance fights with other
bucks. If a buck breaks a main beam and is not able to replace that
antler, it may not be able to acquire future breeding privileges.


A second related theory suggests that bucks shed antlers annually so that
they can regrow larger antlers the following year, in order to keep pace
with their increasing body size. This theory is based on the fact that
antlers quickly mature into nongrowing structures before the buck is able
to attain full body size.


A third theory states that antlers are shed simply because of an accident
of evolutionary chance. In other words, there is no real reason why
antlers are shed. Antlers are different from horns, not because they need
to be, but because of different evolutionary origin. A fourth theory
suggests that antlers are shed in order to stop the die-back process, that
occurs at the junction of the pedicle and antler, from traveling down into
the skull.


Another theory suggests that antler shedding developed in the primitive
antlers of ancestral deer from temperate zones. Antlers of deer in these
colder climates would have been vulnerable to freezing in winter if they
were not shed. The only way to prevent freezing would have been to stop
the blood supply to antlers before the onset of winter.


It is thought that ancestral males shed their antlers so that they were
able to mimic the healthier, nonantlered females. In theory, this reduced
their vulnerability to predation, because predators may have actively
searched for antlered males due to their weakened condition.


One final theory simply suggests that antlers are shed each year as an
energy-conserving measure, so that males don¹t have the added weight from
the antlers to carry outside of the breeding season. Antlers are
cumbersome and energy-expensive structures that are not needed after the
breeding season. However, for this to be true, it must also be true that
regrowing the antlers each year is less energy-expensive than maintaining
the antlers through winter. (By Dr. Mickey Hellickson )
 
while Turkey hunting in Oregon as well as a couple of better than average Whitetail sheds but have never found both antlers from anything but "small" deer. Interestingly I've found both sides of several "small" racks usually laying right next to each other....

Based on what Lee posted its likely just "luck" that the smaller racks both dropped at the same time and I happened to find them laying there together but it does seem interesting that the big ones never seem to both fall off in the same general vacinity....

I know everytime I find a nice one I always do the expnading circle search in hopes of finding the other one but to date that hasn't happened.

Neat find Mike....

Steve
 
My brother just built a house at his wifes family farm and that place is loaded with big bucks..he just found a skelaton of one that had crawled up under a bunch of brush..he had it scored at a local get together for deer hunters and it was 160 something. The guys that lease the farm for deer hunting left a shed they found on his mother in laws picnic table..it was bigger than the one he found. He walks the hell out of that property and can't find the match..and you would trip over the damn thing! The only antlers I ever found was in Montana...I stepped on something sharp poking out of a ranch lane and dug it up..it was a little 3x3 whitetail skull. Biggest rack I ever got in Montana.
 
Lion kill. The skull was still "partially" intact including the skull plate and both antlers. Since its illegal to pick up intact skulls in Oregon, (this to stop poachers who shoot big heads, then return later and claim they were from winter kills or unrecovered hunting deaths), we called the CO and asked them to come out and verify that it was a lion kill.

They would have never done it for me but I was with a good friend who is from the area and knows the CO's very well. We took the CO to the site which was still littered with bones fresh enough to have dried, black, meat on them. Lot sof hair left and you could still see where the Lion had covered parts of the carcass. The kill was a gorgeous 4 x 4 buck that would definately make the book for Blacktails if it was scored.

Since the bucks in that area start dropping about now and since I foudn it in May the antlers hadn't been on the ground long enough to weather or get chewed up. The CO was a great and gave us a letter of authorization to recover the skull.

Like the place you describe this place has lots of big bucks and I've found single antlers that that are bigger than the ones on the skull but have never been able to find both sides of racks like that.

Steve
 
I've often found singles in Colorado, both from Elk and mule deer, but two summers ago I found two big mulie sheds right next to eachother in a field, just boom...boom... three feet away. I've also found sheds buried, and my buddy found two interlocked skulls last winter in illinois- both scored around 115, the smaller one 111 I think.

Some singles I found in Colorado:

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Holy cow Chris! Good eye for finding those so buried. I pretty much have to step on one to find it. How are you at finding lost keys and cell phones and such? I lost Jane's cell phone in a feild while goose hunting one time and I sure could have used your eyes on that one!

Mike
 
Guess I'll have to come shed hunting with you. I'm good at finding them, especially if they are tool sheds or boat sheds. ;) I've lost both my cell phone and my camera before while hawking, and found both- my camera was in the bottom of a creek- good thing it was in a plastic bag! Phone evaded me during school once- i flushed it down the toilet i think by accident... Don't ask... I found a digital camera 12,800 feet up a mountain in Colorado- Couldn't find the owner though! I've been looking for arrowheads and feathers my whole life, and have developed a keen eye on the forest floor. Bones too- That first buried one only the base was sticking out, and I thought it was a bone until I pulled it out of the ground!

When are you coming down here? Deer, turkey, gators... We'll just have a DHBP hotel chain- hop to WA, Oregon, Idaho, all the way to florida, then up to maine, then fly home!

6 months and $10,000 later...
 
Chris, how old will you be in 2011? Me and mac are going on a tour of death starting Aug 1 up here and working our way East, then down to Florida, then up the west coast in the spring. That's the plan anyway. I plan to meet up with as many cyberfriends as possible - how geeky is that!? Mac will be 14.

Lee, I'll be packing my own dry meat and making bannock on the side of the road to save on costs. : )

Mike
 
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