Duckboat Taxonomy

Eric Patterson

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If you had to come up with a list of categories to describe the various duckboats out there what would it be? For starters
Jon
Sneakboat
Marsh
Scull
Layout

What else should go in the list?
 
:)

Friend's boat
POS Boat
Death trap
LOL when I was a kid we had an old scow we dubbed Davy Jones Locker. On especially nasty days we joked that the real DJL would surface nearby, and just suck us in. Who could prove that's not the way it really happens? :) The old timers were not amused.

Pond box and coffin come to mind. Building new coffins this summer, the old ones found a new home.
 
Skiff

To me, a "layout" is an Erie-style layout boat, but somehow that term got applied to the marsh boats as well as the ground blinds.
 
If you had to come up with a list of categories to describe the various duckboats out there what would it be? For starters
Jon
Sneakboat
Marsh
Scull
Layout

What else should go in the list?
If you had to come up with a list of categories to describe the various duckboats out there what would it be? For starters
Jon
Sneakboat
Marsh
Scull
Layout

What else should go in the list?
Can,t remember the name but One of the Mud Boat Companys actually makes a smaller pontoon duck boat. Really a floating blind but you can attach a motor to it.
 
If you guys want to do this right, we need somebody that is well versed in Latin to build this out. We could start with anitis navis, and go from there.
 
Perhaps not really a "boat" but a coffin I've always just considered a coffin, unique to itself.

I've killed far more ducks from a kayak than anything else. Second would be a canoe.
 
Thank you all for the suggestions and keep them coming. These will be put into use soon and I look forward to sharing the project they are going into with everyone here.
 
If you had to come up with a list of categories to describe the various duckboats out there what would it be? For starters
Jon
Sneakboat
Marsh
Scull
Layout

What else should go in the list?
Good morning, Eric et al~

I spied this intriguing post a few days ago - but am currently immersed in a major house project - re-building the south wall of our home - which turns 200 next year. I'm waiting on my spray foamer for insulation - and am in the 12-hour-day every-day mode continually....

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Nevertheless - as those familiar with my many character quirks know all too well - I am a "word guy" and a stickler for terminology in all things relating to boats and associated pastimes. So, I applaud your effort to organize a subject that is rife with long and local traditions - with no overarching governing body. Linnaeus had it easy in comparison.

A fundamental decision is whether you want to organize by construction-type or by primary intended use. Although I am a devotee of traditional vessels and lean toward an emphasis on how boats were/are designed and built, it may be more useful to categorize by "habitat" type. For example, boats to be used in smaller protected waters would include canoes, pirogues, the double-ended duck skiffs from the midwest, and modern molded vessels, et cetera. Even within such a confined definition, though, you may want to distinguish between powered and non-powered craft. Of course, a small jonboat may rely only on a pair of oars - but larger jonboats may be pushed along by plenty of horsepower bolted to their transoms.

I would also distinguish between traditional craft - planked hulls - and modern - post-WW II - primarily plywood and molded fiberglass.

On Long Island - even just within Great South Bay - traditional "grassboats" would be distinguished by hull construction type. Virtually all were 1-man vessels, decked over but with a man-length cockpit, and were hunted with the gunner lying on his back to hide. Salt Hay was secured to the decks with thatch rails. Propulsion was primarily by oars - but could include sails or poles (i.e., "shovin' oars).

Hull Sections - Three with NAMES.jpg

As Jode will attest, there is "all the difference in the world" between a Barnegat Bay Sneakbox and a Great South Bay Scooter - the former having arc-shaped hull sections, the latter U-shaped. Either could be hunted in marshes or in the open bay. And I never saw a "sneakboat" except in Hunters Encyclopedia and the like.

Similarly, whilst growing up, I never heard the term "layout boat". Anyone hunting - mostly Broadbill - in the open bay was was shooting from a "Scooter" - regardless of hull construction. I learned - from the TV show American Sportsmen - that Great Lakes gunners enjoyed the same sort of open water diver hunting - but I do not recall what term was given to their vessels.

So...I guess my recommendation would be to base your categories first on "habitat-type" - to reflect the primary intended use. Within any such habitat I would sort them by traditional or modern, manual propulsion or motorized, then by solo or party.

In any event, your Introduction will need to recognize/apologize for the reality of local names - and invite information and clarifications from wherever ducks and geese are pursued. One of the great joys of duckboats arises from the fact that most are designed with particular local conditions in mind.

BTW: I'll never know whether our old house is a 5-over-4 Federalist - or just a "farmhouse eclectic"....

I will watch your progress with interest - and try to help if I can.

All the best,

SJS
 
Steve

I knew this post was right up your alley and figured you must be super busy not to have weighed soon after I posted it. I will give full disclosure of the purpose of my question in the coming weeks. We are after a list that the masses can see and will help them narrow down a duck boat search. A list of single words that conjure an image in the user's mind. Users from just about anywhere so regional terms are useless. I know exactly what you are getting at by classifying according to construction versus intended purpose. As my son and I started working the list he kept telling me "too technical" or "you are in the weeds" and I agreed with him. I may have overstated the goal a bit by using the term "taxonomy" which from the field of biology means a lot of detail and debate goes into classifications getting all the way down to individual species. We are after a minimal list that quickly puts a picture in the mind of a user to help them focus in on the boat style they desire. It's hard to come up with an inclusive list, of say, less than 10 types. We might have to just use a catch-all like "other" to fill a void. After digesting your post a bit maybe all we need is a list of the places you would use a boat, e.g. open sea, large lake, river, swamp, creek, pond, etc.. Obviously a lot of overlap in the boats on these waters but maybe the predominate place a boat is used would help the user find their boat. This is one of those times dumbing down an answer isn't easy if you don't want something left out. There is a balance between accuracy and burdening the user with too much information.
 
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