I hear thee Jeff. I use a Remington 1100, 20ga. 2 3/4" Special Field, 21" Skeet fixed choke and straight stock. Comes up so fast at times it scares me. Very good for Woodcock, early Grouse and Rabbits. Target chootin' and late season Doves forgetaboutit... Maine Grouse & Woodcock a unfulfilled...