Apartment Lease Question Arising From Corona Virus Uncertainty

I think the costs are double edged.... When I went to Penn State, I stayed in a traditional dorm, and ate in the cafeteria. The schools today all compete for the students with lavish dorms and apartments, first class food courts, sports centers, etc. Not too many of our kids would choose the type of college experience we enjoyed.

Then there was the federalization of the finances.... I started at a branch campus, could not afford to go to Main. The Feds gave money quite freely to my kids. We coached them well, they worked hard in the Summer, ate Ramen, and mac and cheese. My son was an RA to defer his costs. We required that our children would pay for their educations. They did take the loans given by the Feds, and we supplemented with Parent Plus Loans, which they assumed upon graduation. I did make the payments to the PPL while they were in school, and provided them $25 a week pizza money.

Both paid off the PPL in less than 2 years of graduation, and my daughter has since earned her Masters from USC via tuition reimbursement from her employer, but had to supplement that with out of pocket.

I am very proud of what they have accomplished, but we did coach them and ensure that they were pursuing fields that would support them and afford the debt they were accepting. I have a niece, that went to a private nursing school, accumulated 3X the debt that my kids did, and then did not finish the degree. She has a mortgage payment for her schooling, and will never get out from under it. It saddens me that she was allowed to do that, and that she must have that over her head.


A funny side story.... after her freshman year, my daughter took an apt with 2 girls older than her. But they were not prepared, had not handled money themselves and were taken care of at home. So my daughter took the initiative. She started out by calculating the square footage of each bedroom, and prorated the shares of rent based on that ratio. She also volunteered to take the smallest room. Each month, the parents would send the rent/utilities money to my daughter, and she would make the monthly payments! One of the girls took my daughters plastic rice cooker, and tried to cook rice on the stove! The same girl got out the vacuum to get crumbs off the tablecloth.... the stories we would hear were classic.
 
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Dave nailed it across the board.

When the gov pumped over a trillion dollars of student loans along with private industry loans into the higher education system we got stuck with runaway inflation and these insane tuition and living expenses. Have you ever looked at the employment positions universities now have? Director of this and coordinator of that. Non-faculty positions have exploded. Bloated excess costs unneeded for an education. Not to mention all the brand new buildings and facilities. Universities all started competing with each other for student money and did it with staff and amenities that ballooned costs. I have three kids to get through college. My wife and I have saved hard for retirement and we view that as first priority. But we also don't want our children to have to foot the extraordinary bill for their education so we are helping with those costs, at the expense of delaying our retirement.


Given the cost of education, and the return on that investment you have to choose the right field of study or the costs will never be recouped. As a parent I discourage any of my kids from pursuing a liberal arts degree. If I were rich and knew they could say "take over the family business" then fine, have the college experience and get an education just for the sake of it. But for the rest of the working world STEMS, engineering, accounting, law, health sciences, etc., is the best track to have an education that pays for itself. Alternatively, go to trade school. Maybe the best time in US history to have a skilled trade due to lack of qualified workers.

Eric
 
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Dave, your story reminded me of my brothers' first trip to the grocery store after he was well and truly moved out. He was living with some guys in an apartment after they got out of boot camp in the army. They had nothing so they went and bought all the supplies they thought they needed at the grocery store for cleaning and eating etc. My brother called me up and was like OMG!!! I just spent almost $100 on just cleaning supplies to make this apartment liveable! That didn't even include his food!

I was stunned. I thought to myself....geeeeez Christopher, you should know how to shop better than that! I mean he was always with me when my mom would send us to the commissary with money and a list and tell me to try to come back with everything on the list and as much money as possible. But then it dawned on me, he was never in charge of figuring out the most cost effective way of checking everything off on the list....he was just there so that there were two of us instead of just me doing the shopping since my mom couldn't go into the commissary. So he never learned how to shop!

He was a fast learner though.
 
We are lucky enough to have managed our finances very well, avoided unsecured debt, kept vehicles until they were 10 years old, paid off our mortgage in Mobile 5 years early, and stayed on a budget. I give my wife full credit, she is financial whiz and keeps us inline.
Because of her skills and hard work, we have secured our retirement and were also were able to save enough to almost pay for our two kids undergraduate degrees. They may have to take loans for their senior year, but it wont be crippling debt.
Thankfully they are both very STEM oriented (son is in Aerospace Engineering, daughter aspires to be a Veterinarian or something similar.

I have heard horror stories of people's kids who attended expesnive private schools (because they were the "best"), took out couple hundred thousand in loans, all for degrees which won't pay off and they will never get out of debt. Sad that they didn't have better counseling from parents and mentors.

Our son got spending money his first year. From here on out, he's on his own. He's working his butt off at Lowes right now to save spending money and rent/utilities for next summer. Learned the hard way why we kept telling him to get a job last summer....

We all have stories about "that room-mate" from college. I had an acquaintance at AU that took 8 years to get his BS, changed majors 5 times, had a 0.0 GPA one quarter.
 
Sounds like our son when we went away on business one week a few summer back and he was in charge of buying his own groceries.
We'd normally spend ~$400/month for all 4 of us. He spent $100 for one week for just himself!
Got a serious lecture on being thrifty and using common sense when I got home.
 
Legal term in the lease would be "Force Majeure" commonly referred to as "Act of God". Many contracts have a force majeure clause in them. At lease all the business contracts I did had that clause.

Something that might be worth reading

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/real-estate-condemnation-trust/articles/2020/winter2020-coronavirus-force-majeure-clauses-real-estate-contracts/

And another question I have - does the lease prohibit subleasing? If not, that could be an option. Another route to take with the landlord would tell him your understanding of being able to break the lease because of the virus and then ask to work with him on something amicable between the two of you. Most landlords (unless it is a big corporation owning the apartment building) are more than willing to work with renters if there is an honest attempt to figure it all out.

I have a buddy who owns severla rental properties. He is in court all the time and he will bend over backwards to work with an individual instead of going to court. Especially since your son would qualify for free legal help provided to renters and the landlord has to pay his legal costs and loss of income due to spending so much time in court.

Anyway -

Mark
 
Same boat....I haven't found any solutions. Housing in Boone, NC is a nightmare. Appalachian State University. I have 2 months left on an apartment which has been empty since March.
 
Nephew in Cinn. Oh. has five high school friends sharing a house at UC. All five tested positive, lost sense of smell, after room mate went to Chicago and was exposed to virus by Uncle.
be careful.
Ken
 
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