Breathable Waders with Insulated Uppers

Eric Patterson

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Anybody have them. What brand? Do they really keep your legs and trunk warm, without a lot of layering, when standing in water for hours? I'd love to hear some field reports on the latest wader technology.

Eric
 
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i bought the Bean's version new for this year

http://www.llbean.com/...mp;productId=1380193


i like them- only had one really cold day - bailed at lunch- there was a couple feet of snow in the marsh by the end of the day,

I stayed dry and warm sitting still.

I have also walked a couple miles in them on dikes in and out - found them to be much more comfortable than my neoprene waders

PS - a friend got a pair as well -so far no complaints there
 
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Do they really keep your legs and truck warm,

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legs yes - but i still have to let the truck warm up once i get back to it

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Rick

Thanks. How are they when standing in cold water for long periods? Have you done this?

Eric
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not the ready to ice up kind of cold - the boots have 1200 grams of thinsulate - so- not too worried there

the really cold day I was in and out of a boat blind pulled into the cattails, the day I spent legs in the water for about 5 to 6 hours - the air temp was upper 30s - no idea what the water was, wore polypropylene longjohns under my jeans and was fine

i would wear my insulated pants under them if I was going to be out in under freezing temps for the morning
 
Eric--not a direct answer to your question, but some advice on cold weather waders from the far northeast end of the peanut gallery.

It's interesting to me that duck hunters and anglers have such different takes on waders. I was an angler long before I duck hunted, and so had a closet full of breathable waders and wading boots when I got into the sport. I used them for fishing and field work in Maine rivers from March to December, along with the occasional trip west for winter Great Lakes steelhead. Duck hunting has extended that use into January since our coastal season dates were shifted later a few years ago.

IF--and it's a big if--my waders don't leak at all, with two good layers of fleece or wool on my legs and as much insulation as I need on my upper body, I am comfortable in breathable waders even down to temps in the low teens. I have not gone lower than that, but wouldn't be afraid to try. These are stockingfoot breathables (I use Patagonia, but most of my angling friends prefer Simms), with neoprene booties over which I wear lace-up wading boots. (I absolutely detest boot foot waders . . . . .which is another rant for some day.) On the coldest days I add a set of light neoprene socks, then heavy wool socks. Most of the time I just go with heavy wool socks.

I know lots of winter anglers and almost all of them layer under breathables rather than look for insulated waders. This means buying breathables large enough to fit sufficient layers under them and still allow you to move. As a big guy, that's why I like the Patagonia Rio Gallegos, which in XXL Stout give me all the capacity I need for layers under them. The Simms seem to fit a little slimmer unless I am willing to pay for custom sizing. If you body dimensions don't run to Andre the Giant specs, they'll be fine, LOL.

Most of my non-angling duck hunting buddies seem to go the insulated route, which works for them, but I'm not changing.

By the way, based on 25 years of experience and many discussions with other anglers, I can enthusiastically recommend the higher end breathables from either Simms or Patagonia. (There is a reason you see so many fishing guides in Simms and Patagucci.) I have not yet found waders from other manufacturers that I'd really trust in cold weather. Common problems with even the better waders from other retailers are leaky seams after a bit of use, poor resistance to abrasion and wear, and leaky booties. It doesn't take much of a seep to ruin your day at 20 degrees. And it's damned easy to put a hole in most waders hunting around the barnacles, sharp rocks and multi-flora rose we have on the coast. The Patagonia and Simms waders stand up to this abuse.

You will pay for this quality, however. I often use less expensive, lighter, more comfortable breathable waders in the summer when getting wet is an inconvenience rather than a safety issue. When water and air temps are both below 40 degrees, I want the best I can get.

I find I can generally get 4 or more years out of a pair of Patagonia waders, and I use them a lot, at least 100 days per year. They are the very definition of "ridden hard and put away wet". No other wader has ever lasted me more than 2 years before the seams leaked or I poked a stick through the fabric, and most won't last a year.
 
I have the same LL Bean breathables as Rick, this is my second season with them and I really like them. I have hunted them in temps down to single digits and been fine, I wear a pair of heavy thermal underwear and fleece wader pants under them and I stay warm and dry. 1200 gram boots and breathable uppers seem like the perfect combo to me, I switched from neoprenes about 5 years ago and have never gone back-I stay so much warmer and drier with the breathables.
 
I have made the switch to uninsulated breathable waders with layers. I've spent an hour or more breaking ice and setting/ picking up decoys with them and have been comfortable. Polartec overalls and wool socks is my usual layering but I've got room for more comfortably. My boots are the weak link with only 600grams. I added fleece boot liners and it made all the difference.
 
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I wear cabelas dry plus breathables (as previously mentioned there are better options out there) in all weather conditions. Fleece wader pants and boot liners are all I usually need outside of the most frigid days when I add in long underwear. That being said I am hunting out of a boat so a little different use case than standing in the water all day. I wore my old neoprenes one day last season and don't know how I used to hunt that way!
 
I wore my old neoprenes one day last season and don't know how I used to hunt that way!

Couldn't agree more. Had a major cold snap a few years ago and grabbed the 5 mil neoprene thinking the breathables wouldn't be enough. Ended up giving the breathables and an extra layer a shot the next hunt in the ice and cold and never again did I grab the neoprene.
 
Until you asked, I didn't know waders came with insulated tops. Like others have already said, the breathable waders are light years ahead of neoprene when it comes to comfort and warmth. No more sweating, in fact on multi-day trips I don't even bring my boot drier anymore.

I've been comfortable with just insulated bootfoot and standard Cabelas breathable top/legs in temps down to the single digits. Remember that if you're standing in water the water will only be down to about 32 or so at the coldest. If I know it's going to be cold I wear two pairs of Merino long johns (400 + 260 weights) and a pair of ripcord wool hunting pants. Sure I've gotten chilled on occasion but not never mind numbing cold. Then again, I grew up in Wisconsin so 'cold' likely has a different meaning than it does in Alabama.
 
Until you asked, I didn't know waders came with insulated tops. Like others have already said, the breathable waders are light years ahead of neoprene when it comes to comfort and warmth. No more sweating, in fact on multi-day trips I don't even bring my boot drier anymore.

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well- the Beans wader are not insulated in the normal sense- they are just multi layers of breathable material, as opposed to my Orvis fishing waders which are a single layer in the tops

i am planning on sticking with the Beans for some winter steelheading- that tends to be colder to me than duck hunting
 
Eric, I have a pair of Cabelas Warrior ll's. They have 1.5 neoprene in the legs and seat and are breathable tops.
I stand in cold water a lot,usually wear wool bibs under them now. They are much lighter than the 5 mm's and warmer than just breathables.

Cabelas doesn't offer them right now, i think it's been 4 years since they have.
 
Jeff Reardon gave you some very useful advice...layer with fleece and some ECWS long underwear under breathables. A good pair of fleece wading pants will do a slightly better job versus any wool underlayer in terms of insulation, with the additional benefit of substantial weight savings. I have a pair of first, as well as a pair of second generation Cabelas Warrior Waders. The second generation version in Max 5 is a bit more abrasion resistant. My first pair held-up through five seasons hunting hear and in NoDak prior becoming my back-up pair, as well as pre-daylight adventure when I discovered too late that tracks I was following out through the muddy rim of a pothole to open water were not my brother's and nephew's from the previous day, but a whitetail buck that had gotten mired in the mud beyond me and died there. He kept me company for over an hour as I fought to get back out while Cooper guarded my gin on shore. The seams on those waders held up through some pretty frantic jerking and tugging, but the mud stains never came out of them or my decoy poncho that I used as a fulcrum point.

I have four pair of breathable waders for hunting and fishing, and one pair of heavy neoprenes I seldom wear on ice hunts.(they have some pretty heavy duty skin protection).

The LL Bean breathables would be my next choice since Cabelas stopped making the Warrior Waders.
 
Good morning, Eric and All~

I have not yet tried any of the breathables - and am impressed by the testimonials here. However, one thing I really like about my 5mm neoprenes (Cabelas) - and would hesitate to abandon - is the flotation they provide - especially during late-season hunts. I have yet to fall overboard, but - whether gunning over deep coastal bays in a big boat or floating icy northern rivers in a canoe, I like to know that the buoyancy and insulation of my "farmer John"-style waders (along with a life vest) improve my chances of getting out of serious trouble.

All the best,

SJS

 
Having blown a neck seal while diving in a dry suit in less than 40' of water in Lake Superior, I can attest to how quickly hypothermia onset is. I was able to get back to the surface, hand my tank and mask off to the tender crew and get into the dive boat in less than ten minutes, yet I couldn't speak coherently for nearly a half hour. I would encourage you to go for a swim during the summer wearing your lifevest and neoprene waders, as well as your hunting coat. I suspect you will gain a broader understanding and appreciation of the limitations of neoprene waders, once immersed, particularly with a wading belt on to aid in trapping air in them.

The second, more sobering point, is that during cold water immersion preload within your circulatory system skyrockets due to immediate vasoconstriction of your arterioles, significantly increasing the workload placed on the heart, lowering ejection fraction, while massive catecholamine release elevates heart rate. Many cold water immersion deaths are a direct function of a sudden death event related to existing CAD, exacerbated by markedly elevated preload, rupturing cardiac plaques and inducing massive clot formation within the cardiac "tree", as well as significantly altering cardiac pacing.
 
the beans waders have an integral wader belt- which would trap some air and aid in flotation (I am as guilty as most with leaving the belt behind if it is not attached)

but in frigid waters- I think RL's experience is a good warning- I have seen [font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]hypothermia set in on cold wet bike rides - it is sudden and the person's shutdown is scary

I don't hunt big water- but I do realize we participate in a potentially dangerous sport- and all the possible care is required
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It's not the benefit of trapping air inside the waders to aid in floatation, it's denying water ingress, which quickly lowers body temperature and makes getting out of the water all that much more strenuous and demanding due to the extra weight of the entrapped water. I've "stepped-off" into deep water in breathables and standard waders, but never neopenes. The first thing that you have to due when exiting the water is to crawl out prone and the get you feet up in the air to drain the waders prior standing. Getting back into a boat, even with help from fellow crew members is quite challenging in warm water...even more so in frigid water conditions.
 
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