Buffies vs Goldeneye Decoy Deployment

Tom Roberts

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I've got a mixed bag of a few Canvasbacks, Redheads, Buffleheads, and Goldeneye decoys along with of course alot of puddle duck decoys. I want to hunt a lake later this season in hopes of getting some diver species I haven't gotten yet for the wall. Seems like I read somewhere that either the Bufs or the Golds decoys should be off to the side by themselves and not rafted up with the others. Can anybody give me some advice on how to set up my decoys? Should I not even use puddlers when focusing on divers or maybe use a few to fill in due to lack of diver decoys?.....Thanks.
 
Hopefully Lou Tisch will weigh in on this one. He had done some work for the Gov't a few years back, and has a couple of drawings that illistrate the answer to your question.

John
 
If you want to target goldeneyes only put out GE decoys, they will respond much better than if they are mixed with other species or just off to the side of your main spread. Buffies don't seem to care as much, they fly around like a bunch of crazy teenagers at at the mall.
 
Tom,

I have seen mixed results as far as only setting out GE or mixing them in with Scaup and Readheads etc. I can recall one hunt last year where we had 2 GE on the end of each long line so they were stacked like so

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-x-x
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-x-x
[--] o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-x-x
o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-x-x

with the x's being the GE's and the others mixed. We shot a handful of GE that day with a mix of other divers. There were plenty of weary GE that were interested that day but did not commit. The next day we shot a 3 man limit of GE with the exact same spread. The GE just kept dumping in. It could have been the wind/sun/temp difference but the days were pretty much the same. For us the GE seem to be the most leary about the layout. We have tried a few other arrangements but haven't nailed down a specific GE spread for success.

What seems to work the best for Buffles is a small pod on either side of the long lines, although they will decoy to almost anything.

We have run puddlers with our divers but usually in a pack by themselves off to one side of the layout.
 
Thanks for the imput. I've gotten Goldeneyes before and have a nice one on the wall. For some reason I haven't been able to get the Buffies to come on in but instead by-passed my spread. So should I place them in the raft with the Redheads and Cans and set the Goldeneyes to one side and maybe puddlers on the other?
 
Buffies will "buzz" just about any spread, but to get them to decoy consistently, they seem to like to seeing a small group of buffies to join.
So, I always put my Buffies in another distinct small group, usaully on the outside edge of the main diver spread.
I do the same with my GE's but we see so few, I dont cant really say if it works or not.

If I am hunting an area with both puddlers and divers (which is common here) I put the puddlers on one side and the divers on another side of the spread. Same deal with the buffies, they are in a seperate group. This spread shows that. I dont use this many decoys anymore, but it shows you the idea. If I am hunting with a partner and its calm enough, we just turn the boat crosswind.

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Hey Tom, I have hunted Ft. Cobb a number of times and had the bufflehead cue in on our puddler spread, though they tend to land down the shoreline, but easily within gunning range. I've tried to change it up with the addition of canvasback and bluebill decoys to add visibility to my spread, but it didn't really influence their behaviour any. They still came in but off to the side. This year seams like a good year to go after divers in Oklahoma. I have never seen so many canvasbacks, bluebills and redheads as I have seen on the small ponds around the south side of Oklahoma City!
 
Hey Mike......They must have either by-passed Eastern Ok and stayed down the middle. I did a scouting run on Ft. Gibson lake a few days ago and didn't see 1 diver yet. I'm hoping as the weather gets colder and more extreme in late Dec and into Jan the diver action will develop. Year before last there was quite a variety of divers and mergansers flying around. Didn't see as many last year. I've been trying to accumulate a few diver type decoys this past year to maybe entice some within shooting distance. I've put together a boat blind for my diver pursuits and will probably have to set up out from the shore with the lake level being low. I've got one point on the lake where I've observed divers flying by that might have some possibilities for some pass shooting.
 
Carl....Nice diagram.....Question....Do divers like to fly into and land into the wind like puddlers do? I was wondering why you have your boat facing that way and creating the landing zones off the end?
 
Carl.....Sorry, I just read closer your boat position description. Are you using a blind? How far from shore do you set up?
 
Yes, we hunt from boat blinds.
We hunt anywhere from 20 yards off the bank to over a mile from shore. Just depends on the tides, winds & where the birds want to be.
Divers really like to land into the wind, we almost always set up with our backs or bow into the wind.

Here is a pic of my boat blind. We stick phragmites or bamboo cane in around the boat to add to the camo & hold the boat in place. This day the tide went out and we were left stranded. At high tide there is over 3' of water here. This is at least a 1/2 mile from the nearest speck of marshy land.

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We've got more bluebills, ringers and redheads now than we had during the coldest part of the winter last year. So they may have bypassed you & came straight to us! :)
 
If I am hunting both puddlers and divers, this is the spread I use these days: 3.5 dzn coots, 1.5 dzn divers and a dozen gadwalls, 1/3 of which are feeder butts with white bellies. Maybe a couple of pintails too.
If I am hunting just divers, then replace all coots with diver decoys and leave the gadwalls at home.

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MS Paint. I make them as a bmp file, then save as a jpg so they are small enough to post. Once you get the first one done, its easy to cut & paste and move stuff around.
 
A sure thing for Goldeneyes as you have probably noticed on your remarks is by themselves. If you want to target them hunt for them alone. Forget the other decoys. They are very species specific. I consider them the upper class snobs of the duck world. My hunting partners over the years have had great success only throwing out Golden decoys when we wanted to target them. The great thing about them is that other birds will decoy to goldeney specific spread. If you have to want to to throw out other decoys. Keep a good distance of 25 yards between them and the other birds. Hunt midway between both spreads to give you shots at incoming birds in both.

On buffies...Set a string of those dead center of your spread 10 to 20 yards downwind out or off to either side. There needs to be some seperation between them and other birds or just like the goldens. Hunt them specific. The region I grew-up hunting early season to mid season was the best time to hunt buffies. They typically moved on mid to late December when the goldens start showing up. Very dependent on the weather.

Goldens are going to be the last migrators through the season they are very hardy birds and will follow the most extreme conditions of the snow band and ice bands as it moves south.

Good luck this season!
Regards,
Kristan
 
I'm really enjoying this thread as I'm just getting into diver hunting on lake Champlain, VT side. While my experience decoying divers is limited, I've had success just stringing three long lines out from the shore blind location running down wind. Each long line has GE's at the ends, blue bills and ringers in the middle, and buffies closest to shore. My rig is only 24 decoys strong, and I've had mild success. The day I threw puddles along the shore line by the blind, we shot a mallard and several teal to help fill the bag.
I'd love to see how others are hunting divers on lake Champlain. If a seat on a boat happens to be open, I'd be thrilled to fill it and help set lines!
 
DIAGRAM-LAYOUT SETUP
Don't know what's with my computer but I can't get images to post. I'll try again later with the picture.
Lou

Layout-Set ups & Rigging
Here's the set up we use. There are a few things to note:
1. We use 200-250 decoys but you can typically do a good job getting started with about 4-6 dozen. I'd go with BlueBills & Cans as my first purchase......along with at least ONE Goldeneye Drake and at least ONE Buffy Drake. One of each is truly "magic".
2. Notice that I've shown the "shore". This is critical if you want Buffy & GE. We did a lot of work for 3 months with the USFWS and this is what we observed 100% of the time. The Buffy were always on the "shore side" of the rig of Bluebills & Redheads and the Goldeneye were always on the "lake side" of the Bluebill & Redhead. Why........I don't know but I know that's the way they are. Both BFY & GE will come right down the center of the rig and then swing to "their own", giving you a nice coming in shot and a crossing shot.
3. Also, be aware that these divers come in Low to the Deck and will almost always "lift" up and you'll think they are flaring. What they're doing is checking for landing zone. If you let them, they will come in, lift up and then drop right into the rig.
4. Definitely use a call for divers. It will work wonders and it's the only way to draw them in to you if it's foggy.
5. Note that we have open spaces around the boat and behind it. These are passage zones for the tender boat so the tender can come in on either side of the layout and escape whichever way is necessary out the back.
6. We use a "blocker" line of big scoters and eiders. We get these birds into Lake St. Clair so it makes sense to use them but they are also there to "tell" the birds to "drop down". It's kind of the "end of the line".
7. We use 125' mother lines (1/4” Black, New England Line) with heavy duty carabeener clips on the end with the upwind clipped to an 8 lb. mushroom and the downwind clipped to a sash weight. We put 12-14 decoys on a mother line, clipped to loops in the line. We will often clip two lines together. The decoys have a 3' dropper of 1/8" military parachute chord. Tie a bowline to the deke and a bowline to the 5" lobster line clip and the clip goes onto the loop in the mother line. This keeps the mother line about 3' below the surface and away from you prop. Prop caught in a mother line will kill you.
If you are hunting deep water, merely keep "deep extender lines" (Loop on end and carabeener the other end) available to merely clip on when needed.
I never use single dekes. We lost a lot of single rigged dekes in a storm. It was so dark at 1pm in the afternoon that we had to use a spotlight to find the dekes. Mother lines were easy to find but the individual dekes were lost to the storm (all hand painted E. Allens)
8. We put all our decoys (still rigged) into 55 Gal. Plastic Drums with holes drilled in bottom for drainage and 2 fold down, carriage handles (home depot) riveted onto the drum. When retrieving, we set the sash weight into the bottom (still clipped to mother line) and start feeding all the decoys down into the drum. You don’t have to worry much about order.......it takes care of itself for the most part. When you get to the end of the line, remove the upwind 8# mushroom anchor, place the anchor in a milk crate with other anchors and clip the carabeener to the handle. Voila.
When setting decoys, unclip the carabeener and clip on the mushroom anchor and drop at the uppermost, upwind end for the set. As you drift down, you can set the dekes. As you remove the dekes from the drum..........do NOT grab the decoys and pull them from the drum. Grab ONLY the mother line...and the decoys will follow and not get tangled. If you lift the decoys out, they will not be in sequence and you will tangle. When you’ve set the entire rig, hold the sash weight for a bit to stretch the mother line (it will also right any decoys that are upside down) and then drop the weight.
Now, move upwind again to set the next line..............etc.
9. Don't set your rig in the dark. That's a sure way to get tangled in your mother lines and then you're in big trouble.....it can kill you. Divers move all day long. Wait to see where they want to be and then set up there or at least "pre scout" and set up as early as you have light to safely set the rig.
10. Carry a true Ship to Shore radio in every boat and have a backup if necessary. The coast guard doesn't like cell phones though they are better than nothing. A ship to shore radio can be triangulated by the Coast Guard and they can find you in an instant and that matter of minutes can be the difference between life and death.
11. Use a large Danforth anchor for your upwind boat anchor and a mushroom or small navy anchor as your downwind anchor. The Danforth will keep your layout boat in the proper place in the rig. The smaller downwind anchor can be pulled in and reset to adjust to a changing wind.
12. Be safe out there.....most duck hunters (especially layout shooters) don't realize how close to dying we are out there all the time. We're in a harsh environment and at a harsh time of year. Nature is unforgiving.......be safe.
 
Well, we are at the north end of the flyway with all the stupid uneducated ducks, and very few people here really target divers (other than eiders and longtails, of course). But with the one black duck limit and the lack of mallards much of the time in the late season, my buddies and I often find ourselves in a boat with nothing much to do, so we chase them a bit.

We almost always set out both goldeneye and puddler decoys, as we don't want to miss a chance at any mallards that may happen to fly by.

Usually, we'll be set up on shore, on a point or the end of an island. The puddle duck decoys (usually only 4-8) will be in a protected cove or behind the point. We'll then set some goldeneye decoys (usually 3-6) in a line, right on the edge of the protected lee and the waves/ripples, with the line more or less parallel to the long axis of the shore. The GE decoys will usually end up something like 20 yards from the blind, right in front of us, with the puddlers off to the side, about the same distance or maybe a little closer.

We find that the goldeneyes will frequently fly into the wind along a shoreline. As they pass the decoys, they often seem to set down just past the most upwind decoy. So we offset the GE decoys from the blind to make that "landing zone" right in front of us.

I agree with the comments above about the buffies--they will buzz any decoy spread, and we actually have a lot of them pile into either the GE or the puddle duck decoys.
 
Lou....You definitely got diver hunting down to an art. I predominately hunt puddle type ducks. I hunt divers for the sole purpose of getting a new drake species to mount for the wall in my den. I'm trying to minimize my investment on a diver spread but realize that if I plan to be successful I need to get some diver decoys. If I new I was going to get into more divers I wouldn't mind investing more money in them. I've got one spot where I feel I have a chance to intercept them coming around a point. So I'm trying to maximize my encounter.
 
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