how big a hoop do you need for a "blanket" Beaver THIS big?

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Steve Sutton

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Bet it leaves a mark.....

(BTW the picture was taken in Montana--released "unharmed" and I'm sure it suffered no trauma during the three tdays it was wearing the nose jewelery..

ILO of the recent "trapping post" this is meant to be nothing more than an "interesting photo" and in no way denotes and opinion, one way or the oter, about trapping, its value, or lack thereof, or how many ducks it will save.....


Steve
 
You, and many others I'm sure, would not want to read my response so I won't post it.

Tim
 
and "trust me" I certainly understand that "by catch" is something that is as "unavoidable" as it is "unfortunate" and should not be part of the thought process for deciding if trapping is valid or not......

In its simplest, and least duplicitous form I just thought this was a very interesting picture particularly given it arriving just as the "trapping thread" wore itself out.....

So...there might be "others" that wouldn't like what you have to say....one of them wouldn't be me....

Steve
 
and "trust me" I certainly understand that "by catch" is something that is as "unavoidable" as it is "unfortunate" and should not be part of the thought process for deciding if trapping is valid or not......

In its simplest, and least duplicitous form I just thought this was a very interesting picture particularly given it arriving just as the "trapping thread" wore itself out.....

So...there might be "others" that wouldn't like what you have to say....one of them wouldn't be me....

Steve
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If nothing else it may get people to read up on how to remove a conibear from their dog .

T
 
two men to open the trap....I know its possible to do it with one person but I sure wouldn't want to do it in the time something smaller would have.......

One of those things that I "review" every year before the season and hope that I'll never have to remember.....

Steve
 
on anything but an "empty" trap......

Empty you can manipulate the trap which you couldn't do if your dog was in it.......hadn't really thought of thatt till I looked at this picture.....

I'll have to get a friend who does Beaver control stuff to let me do it on a big Beav.....bet its way different.....

This has to be the biggest Connibear right? I know they are "drowing sets" for Beaver.....you think this would "break" an average dogs neck? Sobering thought....

Steve
 
Very unusual photo...an unusual incident.... It would be intersting to know where and how the elk was caught in the conibear....

When I trapped I did have elk and deer step in #3 long springs and #2 coil springs set "dirt hole style" for coyotes. The traps did not hold them and a couple times the jaws were popped out of place. The most unusual non-target species I ever caught was a great horned owl in a #1 stop loss while trapping muskrats...the trap was underwater (inch or so) so for the owl to get into it I thought was a bit odd...the owl was very pissed. let it loose and he flew off after he sat for a few seconds....I tossed a piece of canvas over the owl while releasing to protect myself from the talons

Tim,,,not wanting to stir the pot?
 
It seems like the elk would have been less happy if its head was rotated 90 degrees in the trap.

I'm no expert on elk head size or conibears, but that looks like a 330, the biggest size.
 
but it might have been another city, definately Montana though), said "how" wasn't know....took three days to get close enough to her to tranq her and get it off....

As I understand Beaver trapping I'd think the trap was set in a Beaver plunge hole....no other open water and the Elk stuck her nose in the hole to get a drink.....OUCHHHHH...

Or not....

Interesting no matter how it happened....

Steve
 
Glad that they got the trap removed. I believe that 330's are legal to set on dryland in Montana. But what is legal may not be ethical to many. Personally I would not set a 330 on land. Maybe a Wolverine set?
 
Ouch! coni jaw spread size 330=10" 280=8" 220=7". I had a 330 fire off on a reset while trapping thru the ice, one of the safety hook broke & it clamped on my forarm! didn't break anything, but left a bruse thru a heavy coat,shirt & long johns, with only 1 spring! That's 1 lucky critter the trap didn't strike its nose top & bottom.
Tod it would have to be a very stout, new boot lace to depress the spring of even a 220, ya might want to ck it out first or carry a lite rope to pull down a coni spring.
 
Steve,

When you ask your trapper friend for some props to try out make sure you get a 220, and a 280 as well as the 330. I can set a 330 by hand if I have to but find that the 220's are just about impossible for me. It's all about the length of the springs and the lever you can achieve with your hands. I've used the rope-thru-the-springs technique and find it difficult at best to open any of the larger conibears with it. When I'm trapping my setting tongs are never very far away.

As a side note, I've smacked my hand with a 330 and was able to pull it out as there is a gap in the closed jaws of maybe an inch and a quarter or so. Never got stuck in a 220 and never want to either.
 
Steve,

When you ask your trapper friend for some props to try out make sure you get a 220, and a 280 as well as the 330. I can set a 330 by hand if I have to but find that the 220's are just about impossible for me. It's all about the length of the springs and the lever you can achieve with your hands. I've used the rope-thru-the-springs technique and find it difficult at best to open any of the larger conibears with it. When I'm trapping my setting tongs are never very far away.

As a side note, I've smacked my hand with a 330 and was able to pull it out as there is a gap in the closed jaws of maybe an inch and a quarter or so. Never got stuck in a 220 and never want to either.
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Pete, Would you say that a guy with reasonable/normal hand strength and jacked up on adreneline should try to use their hands to open a 330 before trying the rope? My understanding that a 330 is the trap most likely to endanger a dog.

T
 
The spring length on a 330 provides a longer "lever" to compress with your hand, the smaller 220 and 280 are harder to compress as the "lever" is shorter. Therefore, if your dog is caught in a 330 you should be able to compress the springs by hand without resorting to a device to assist the spring compression..."the tongs or rope"... Pete alluded to that in his post.

I would like to point out that setting a 330 by hand is fairly easy at the tailggate of your truck or standing on stable ground....it becomes more difficult if off balance and standing in a foot of muck and water to your waist...
 
The spring length on a 330 provides a longer "lever" to compress with your hand, the smaller 220 and 280 are harder to compress as the "lever" is shorter. Therefore, if your dog is caught in a 330 you should be able to compress the springs by hand without resorting to a device to assist the spring compression..."the tongs or rope"... Pete alluded to that in his post.

I would like to point out that setting a 330 by hand is fairly easy at the tailggate of your truck or standing on stable ground....it becomes more difficult if off balance and standing in a foot of muck and water to your waist...
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I just wokr Pete up to measure his head and as near as I can tell he coudl maybe fit it in a 280 .
 
That is incredible. In areas I hunt with a dog, I've come across one trap. Don't know much about them- but It was about 4 inches and a leg hold type. My dog fortunately was away from it, but If there was one there might have been more. I didn't enjoy the hunt, and left asap. Some new spots I hunt on, I always wonder what the dog will get into, barb wire, broken glass... leg traps...

Fortunately it's been just smelly dead animals which he wears like perfume.... toilet de carcass.
 
not a fat head Pete and requiring a 330? oh my..... you could try a snare....one size fits all....or I could lend you the lariat from behind the seat of my truck...
 
I certain would try by hand first. Depending on where the trap is on the dogs head, you may not have much time. With your dog in it, it's going to be difficult at best. I don't know, I carry a coon hunters dog lead with a length of chain on the end that might work better than a rope. One of those things I haven't done in a long, long time and should really reaquaint myself with I guess.

Any of the conibears of 220 or larger are significant dangers to any dog and one shouldn't be thought of as any less dangerous than another.
 
Jack,

It's interesting what dogs find and roll in. I've had dogs that loved coon crap and wore it like a badge of honor. Others loved dead fish. I don't think my current chessie has ever rolled in anything - it's weird. It's like it never crosses his mind to roll in it ...........he'd rather eat it.

Regarding leg hold traps and dogs. I've caught my own dogs, other peoples dogs, cats plus my own fingers in just about every trap I've used and haven't hurt anything other than a bruise. They are designed to "hold" an animal, not break anything. Usually on a dog, fox, coyote, etc. the trap will end up on the toes and will hold very securily until the animal is released. I don't worry about them.
 
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