Lithium battery for my Alumacraft Ducker

Kevin Puls

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I have a small trolling motor that I mount on my Ducker and want to get a small lightweight battery for it. I have a very expensive high quality 24 volt lithium battery in my fishing boat and it is great and lightweight.

But I am wanting a small 12 volt for my ducker. It will get very little use and for short periods and short runs at a time. As a result I don’t need anything fancy or expensive. Anyone have any experience with bargain brand batteries they could recommend?
 
I just worked through this myself. Get on YouTube and watch this Tiny Boat Nation video (/https://youtu.be/kfRrqUSceV8?is=WNUTH3eZbfVBWNQ9/) for a breakdown of the characteristics of lithium batteries. It has a clickbait title but has good information. After you know some basics, go to the Will Prowse Off-Grid Solar channel and see if he has a teardown of the battery you are interested in. His interest is solar systems, but he nerds out on lithium batteries. Honestly, if he doesn't have a teardown video, I wouldn't buy that battery.

Now for the rough breakdown as I understand it.

Only consider LiFePO4 batteries. I didn't see others, but I guess older technologies were more prone to thermal runaway (nothing exciting, just all-consuming fire, etc.).

The premium batteries like Dakota are great products with excellent support. You can buy peace of mind if you can afford it at $700+.

The cheap $150-160 no-name batteries are almost definitely grade C cells (the equivalent of the old "grade E but edible" beef they used to use at Taco Bell). You will find a Bubba that swears by them online somewhere, but it is more of a dice roll and support will probably be sketchy if/when you need it.

The current "just right" option by popular consensus seems to be LiTime batteries. They perform well, their construction is solid using good components, and they have good customer support if you have issues. They run $325-375.

You want the amp hours of the battery to be higher than the max amp draw of the trolling motor (this is good to look up for familiarity, but a “small” trolling motor should be well under 50 amps). Your described use (under 4 hr total run time) should only require a 12V 50ah and should be cheaper than the price points I listed above because I was pricing 12V 100ah batteries. However, LiTime makes an Xtra Mini 12V 100ah that weighs 19 lb. that kayak dudes love because it is so small. I'm not sure of the specs of their 50ah batteries, but they were around 12 lb. and $225 IIRC. I ended up getting their 12V 100ah trolling motor battery because it is supposedly optimized for trolling use. I grew up draining batteries wind and tide and will always err on the side of more battery than necessary.

Every source advised me to get the smart battery with the BCM that links to an app on your phone that monitors charge. This is important because lithium batteries don't drop voltage until they are 80+% drained, so if you use a conventional voltage meter to track usage, you will already be decreasing service life of the battery before you even notice any power drop.

Also note that you need a lithium compatible battery charger. Your conventional charger may damage a lithium. I had to buy a new one.

Nate

PS Taco Bell doesn't serve better beef these days. The nomenclature of the grading system changed since the 90's.
 
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Wow what a great response! You might be on to something with the 50aH for my use. The boat is primarily a row boat and if I get stuck I just have to put the effort in. They are on sale right now as well. I wonder if they will work in the cold.

I have the $1000 smart battery for my fishing boat. I have been considering adding a small battery for my electronics on my boat anyways maybe this will serve both purposes.

Thank you!
 
@William Reinicke recommended Redodo sometime back as one he was seeing on a number of boats. That's what I purchased for mine, but as it isn't complete, yet, I can't attest to performance. They do offer app monitoring, auto battery heaters if temp drops below zero, and all the other fancy BMS stuff as the big guys, but are considerably less expensive. My general observation is that the lithium battery industry is evolving quickly and resulting in a few distinct tiers - top companies, like Dakota, offering the most current tech at top prices, then companies offering tech that is a gen or two behind at much more reasonable prices, then companies offering very old stuff. My sense is that companies like LiTime and Redodo fit into the second category - not the latest and greatest, but good tech and good quality.
 
Litime and Redodo are used a ton in the bass world now, especially for the every day anglers. What I have seen, over the years, is every company is getting pretty competitively priced. For example, my buddy is sponsored by monster marine and they arent that much more than Litime anymore. Originally, they were double or more for the litime or redodo lithiums.

You can see the 3 different prices here, all very close anymore:
Redodo 12v dual purpose 100 ah - $419.99
Litime 12v dual purpose 100 ah - $419.99
Monster Marine 12v dual purpose 60 ah - $600 (this is as close as the others)

Monster marine makes some monster batteries. Some as high as 1500 cca with 300ah. I mean BIG boy batteries, and this company has really gotten into the fish finder scene and making their own display screens for graphing when using FFS. So they are making some really high end stuff to keep up with all the amperage needed for these guys running 6 television screens in their bass boats.

We dont need all that. I use on cranking battery on my duck boat. PLENTY for my surface drive and the one little graph I use for mapping.

I use a dual purpose for my graphs, big motor and live wells. I 2 24v batteries for the trolling motor on my bass boat. Never have any issues with power needs. Went with a NOCO lithium charger in both boats. I have 0 issues. Plug em in a couple nights before I am going to use it and always carry a jumper with me in both boats just in case. Lithium is great, power maintains its amperage until it dies. Unlike lead acid where once you started getting around 11.4-11.6 volts, the clarity in graphs started to go and the starter on the big motor had to turn a few more times to get to turn over. No more making a run down the lake either to charge the battery to keep fishing on those long tournament weekends when you couldnt find a place to plug into.
 
Since we are talking about premium Millertech is king in my region. Nothing like pulling up to the factory for a consultation and seeing a horse and buggy line. But man they know their stuff.
 
I wanted to lighten my boat weight. Yes that's not happening duck hunting. I did contact Mercury for my 40hp about 5-8 years old. Mercury recommended NOT to use Lithium. They wouldn't say why. I did some research, and found that up to 60HP it would burn up the voltage regulator. I don't need that to happen at 4:30 am. So I'm staying with lead batteries. To get some of the load off the rear, I might locate the batteries up front? I know, I need to install pods on the rear to help, but hate to spend the money.
 
FWIW, this is the onboard charger I went with for my boats. I like that I can pick which kind of battery im charging with the push of a button. I dont think I will ever need a new onboard charger for any of my boats, even if I decide to go back to an AGM or a lead acid battery from these lithiums. Noco makes some good stuff at a pretty fair price. I have just a single bank on my duck boat and a 3 bank on the bass boat.

 
FWIW, this is the onboard charger I went with for my boats. I like that I can pick which kind of battery im charging with the push of a button. I dont think I will ever need a new onboard charger for any of my boats, even if I decide to go back to an AGM or a lead acid battery from these lithiums. Noco makes some good stuff at a pretty fair price. I have just a single bank on my duck boat and a 3 bank on the bass boat.

I've had and been happy with NOCO as well. For my duck boat, I went with a Minn Kota 1 bank charger - https://minnkota.johnsonoutdoors.com/us/shop/battery-chargers/on-board-precision-chargers/1831101

Like the NOCO, you can select battery type. I'm using a SmartShore (used to be Yandina) combiner to charge my second battery when the first is full.
 
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