Longline Clips, do we need them?

Scott Farris

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I followed the recent post of clips with interest cause I like rigging, lines, knots, the whole mess. I started with clips taken off fish stringers, clipping into loops tied in my mother line. Then based on posts here back in the late 90’s I tried the 3” longline clips, they were cheaper than the 5”. They also slipped under pressure when repositioning longlines. I switched over to 5” clips, some with, some without swivels. I didn’t see much difference based on the swivels but they held in place much better than the 3”. (The 3” clips are now used on the ends of 10 to 16 oz “H” section anchors for single rigging.)

When I got the Lund and I had lots of room for sea ducking, so I decided to follow the lead of Lou Tisch and others who keep their decoys rigged in barrels. I use the barrels that collapse so I can stuff 6 to 8 of them out of the way once the decoys are deployed. After using this a bit with the 5” clips it dawned on me that they were a PITA. If I had a tangle they were involved. Running the line through my hands would be much nicer without them to. So I decided to dispense with the clips. I now tie the droppers to the mother line then whip finish the tag ends to eliminate potential snag points. It’s worked very well for me for about 5 years now.


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This past year I started carving a rig of goldeneyes and I want to keep them in pocket bags to protect them. What I’ve done in the past with my premium decoys was simply rig them either individually or in pairs at deployment, but now I’m dealing with a larger rig of B& W decoys. So what I’ve gone with is short longlines based on the number of pockets in the bags I’m using. ½ doz pocket bags get a 5 or 6 decoy line tied up with loops on either end that can be clipped together to form a “long” line or they can be deployed as multiple “short” lines to make a tighter group of a species. The loop ends are roughly ½ the length of the spacing between decoys so the spacing remains good when clipped together. The short mother line easily tucks into the pouches and not having the SS clips in the bags has to help the paint job. End loops are placed over the heads of the two end decoys for ease of finding them in the dark.


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Now anchor lines. I keep a stash of different length anchor lines and select them as needed by the water depth. Large “H” section anchors which have the line wrapped around them work great too, allowing you to tie off the line at the desired length. The long line clips w/o swivels work well for attaching the anchors and anchor lines. Saturday’s hunt was in thigh deep river and no additional anchor line was needed. I simply ran one of the short lines of GEs out above my puddle duck rig attached directly to one of my large mushroom anchors to handle the ice load. It would have been better to have used thee lines, rigged two together with the 3rd forming the J but there was too much ice flowing down river so I KISSed it!



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The knots are simple and don’t need to be whipped, just melt the tag end back to the knot without burning the lines :^)
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I hope I provoked some thoughts,
Scott
 
Scott

You have just earned the nickname "Knott Scott". I've seen how handy you are with line in person. I wish my knot repartee was even half as big as yours.

Eric
 
Oh no! Now I'm all tied up in an Identity Crisis!! If I'm not Scott who am I?

Eric, when can I get my new call? Hopefully all the cold weather has brought you good numbers of our feathered friends.

Best,
Scott
 
great idea.

I tried something new this year.... I leave all of my blocks attached to the line and stored on shelves. This year, I tried something different with my new blocks. I used clothes line and drilled holes in fender washers. See the picture. I only use these when layout hunting... so I don't require droppers.... Not sure how long this method will hold up.. but it cose about $10 per dozen... .(line included)...

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Scott,
I tried one of my longlines as you discribed, the rest are with 5" clips. It must have been you that posted something similar a few years ago, because I learned the longline knot here. The only thing that I don't like about it, is if a dog is going to tangle in the lines, it will be the one with no clips. I run minimum 30" droppers. I don't know if the lines with clips keep the mother line down lower or what. I suppose I could switch to leaded line. Do you have issues with your dog and clipless lines?
Paul
 
I find the clips a pain, and don't like droppers either, but I don't hunt with a dog, frankly, where we hunt, I wouldn't want a dog, but that's a personal problem, lol
If you want to see decoys go in and out really slick, tie them direct to the mainline, either with a tiny loop or fore and aft.
As fast as the dead and cripples drift, there's no need to run the boat in the rig, and then you just stay in the lanes.
Easy peasey.
 
I have been thinking about doing a bunch of short lines that can be connected as well. currently I unhook from the mainline every time with 5" clips. I've also thought why not just get rid of the clips all together but it seems that they help hold the mainline down. I have considered using egg type sinker on the end of each dropper if getting rid of the clips has anybody tried this or does it just seem dumb? I try stretching the mainlines as tight as I can but the problem I face is that I mostly hunt tidal waters and they can become slack in no time and easier for the dog to get caught in with a current.
 
Paul,

Yes guilty, I have posted the tied long lines before, what's new for me is dealing with the pocket bags while still keeping the convenience of being pre-rigged. With respect to the clips helping to hold the lines down, I have not had a problem with my present lines. My present hunting partner Marsh, is a fairly huge lab and even in the river current he's able to swim though the line. When I was trying to get away with a mother line that didn't sink (3" clip days) I tried whipping in egg sinkers next to the clips to help hold it down. Ended up with mixed results and when Bill Wasson offered the Swordfish line I upgraded and have been wicked happy since. But before I committed I had Bill send me a short sample. Threw it in a full sink of water and was relieved to see it settle quickly to the bottom - Sold!

Egg sinkers by the dozen are pretty inexpensive and can be fairly quickly whipped into the line add the weight of clips without their size.

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Neal, I was writing this as you posted your egg question. Go for it!

Scott
 
Scott, I agree with you that keeping the decoys on the lines is the way to go. My father and grandfather began using longlines in the 1930's, and they, as well as I since they passed, have done a lot of experimenting like you. We have tried a variety of fasteners, direct ties, longline clips, loops, rings, weights and various line. The only place I disagree with you at all is that I prefer to have a means to remove the decoys in the event of a tangle. Glad to hear that it hasn't happened to you, the key is to keep the decoys stationary relative to each other in whatever bag you use, if they shift even a little the results can be grim. Your bags look great. All of our rigs are kept in large 3' x 3' bags, about 12" deep which hold 20-25 decoys each. On a different note, I prefer limp rather than stiff longlines, they seem to tangle less for me.
 
Rigged in collapsible barrels isthe only way to go Scott! Being a former Ironworker and Scout Leader, the knots I use are clove hitches and bowlines... I figure if they are strong enough to save my life, they can surely hold a decoy or boat anchor...
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Jack,
I've seen them at most of the Ace Hardware stores I've been in on the Island. I think they were around $20 or $25 each
 
SJ Fairbank, I didn't get into specifics on the knots, one of the reasons I use the double overhand knot is that it breaks fairly easily. During our Mystic River hunt with the decoy Corby, two hollow pine GE decoys purchased from NC wouldn't stay upright in the high winds we were hunting. I walked out and simply untied the two decoys off the line. The knot is simple to tie, easy to break free. And as far as limp Vs stiff main lines, I agree totally with limp being superior. I hunted with a guy who used stiff tarred line and after handling both I really like the soft braided swordfish line.

Pat, While [font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica] clove hitches and bowlines are probably my two most used knots for temporary rigging, I believe there are better knots for other applications.

Capt. Jack, I'm kind of embarrassed to say where I get the bags, but it's Ocean State Job Lot. They cost about $8. Make sure you add a grommet to the bottom for drainage.

Scott
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Scott - That was a great buy. I passed on the barrels at Ace due to there high price.

Jack - If you can use some blue plastic 55 gallon drums I have as many as you can take away free. I use them on my tender for mega decoy storage
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Well you get the idea. I just cut the tops off, drill some holes in the bottom and your go to go.
They are new, clean and have only been used once to hold non-toxic antifreeze for winterizing boats. I think I probably have 50 or 60 left.
 
I used to run stringers like this and found they were a lot more problems than using clips. I think you are going to have to add a swivel to your dropper lines
they are going to get all twisted up and then it is a mess to staighten out
I see one on your bow is already almost there.
one problem I always had was freezing weather. the lines would freeze in a tangle and would be hard to set out if hunting a couple of days in a row. with longlines on a spool I can just take the spool inside where warm and they would not freeze and be ready for the next day, It was a very fast way to set out decoys but the tangles and re rigging every year made it a hassle
I find no problems now using the longline clips and heavy mainlines for the last 10 or 12 years now.
 
Tom, So far no problems. The decoys hang off the main line when bringing them back on board and any twists are gone by the time they are lowered into the barrels. The short line on the deck is not twisted at all. The lines are very soft and I waded the line up on the deck to get the picture of the knots. The shot was taken for this write up. Before using knots I did use clips and preferred to use the ones without swivels although I did use both. i actually ended up taking the swivels off a number of my 5" clips due to that preference. Who knows maybe it will bite me someday. but I have not seen an indication of twisting problems. Where you using soft braided lines and letting them fall into the barrels as they wanted to?

I did let snow get into a couple of my barrels and freeze up pretty good. The lines didn't cause me any problems but I was afraid of damaging my foamers so I let them thaw in the garage a bit.

Scott
 
Scott, your GE rig is the way I've gone on all of my diver sets mostly because of space limitations but also because I keep all decoys in pocket bags. No more than six on a not-so-long-line with the option of connecting two lines, which I rarely do. I do have clips on the droppers but I tie loops along the mainline 4-8 feet apart to prevent the slippage issue. I do like having the flexibility of easily removing decoys from the mainline in the event of dog or motor tangling or, more likely, if I just want a few with individual anchors for a boatless hunt.
 
Scott

I've made one call since duck season started. Come February I"ll be in the shop quite a bit working on a batch for you guys.

Eric
 
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