Pigeon raising

Worth Mathewson

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I read with interest in a post Al Hansen mentioned raising pigeons. I wonder how many others on this site either now have pigeons or once did? Starting in 1955 I began keeping pigeons. They were the large breeds for producing squabs. Red carneau, and white kings. Over the years I have frequently raised pigeons for squabs. The breeds didn't vary much, white carneau rather than red, and silver king rather than white king. From time to time I had other breeds.
Ten years ago I reached my high point in terms of numbers. I had about 120 pair of white carneau. That certainly kept me busy dressing squabs. I sold them to various Chinese restaurants.
That ended up in being too much of a task, so I dropped down to about 20 pair of red carneau. The old style red carneau is today a very rare breed. Several members of The Rare Breed Pigeon Club became interested in my birds, so I gave them away in hopes more people will breed and save the red carneau. At this time I have no pigeons, just several large empty lofts. My guess is that they will not stay empty for long. For those who have not eaten squab, you have missed something very good! Best, Worth Mathewson
 
I raised several types of tumblers when I was in HS in the early 60's. Just cause I loved birds. At my peak I had about 100. I lived up in the hills about 3 miles from the closest grain fields. In the fall they would fly to the valley and feed as a flock. Biggest problem were Goshawks in the winter would move down out of the high country and work on my flock until I took care of the problem. I tried raising some white kings for squab but as a kid I was not successful. The flock was free range but I locked them up every night to keep out the 4 legged critters.
 
I have around 30 homers and a few Catalonian Tumblers, they a tiny little things. I got the homers for dog training (I could get by with 10 for that) but I have enjoyed watching them more. It is just cool to watch a flock of pigeons flying overhead and out of sight to have them return to their loft half an hour later.

I have a lot of white birds that I'm not too fond of. I've been trying to breed back to more solid colors and Recessive Red. Ash red and grizzle will take over a loft. I also have some Almonds that are hard to get just right. If I'm going to have birds to train with then they might as well be pretty...but I swear if I have a 50-50 chance of getting what I want from a pairing I will only get about 10%. My luck isn't too good.

I have butchered a few but have them frozen, I need to eat them. I've eaten ferals I shoot while dove hunting, I don't mind the taste of them but they are usually a little tough. I'd like to get a pair or two of kings to try squabbing.

I'd post a few photos but it seems that Photo Bucket is down for maintenance.

Tim
 
Worth, I have to admit that I sure got excited when I saw your thread.

Here it goes---

My mom had taken my sister and me to her home town which was in Exira, Iowa right after the war in 1946. Dad and mom did not own a car so we took the train. While at my grandparents home it was grandpa who put a squab in my hands and as a five year old boy, I fell in love with pigeons right there on the spot.

At the age of 11, my dad landed a teaching job in Ortonville, Minnesota. The first thing that I did was build a wire cage with the help of my dad. It was roughly 6 feet long by 5 feet high and 5 feet wide. We put in some wooden peach crates that were divided in the middle for nest boxes and a couple of old broom handles for the birds to perch on.

I remember riding my bike out on the highway along Big Stone Lake and at an apple orchard I found a gentleman by the name of Mr. Block, that raised white homers. I happened to find him by sheer luck. I traveled this highway because the hillsides there were loaded with wild raspberries and many clumps of wild asparagus. I just happened to look down his long driveway through his orchard and saw the pigeons. I spent a lot of time there. By the way, Worth, I made some of the money I needed to pay for my first shotgun which was a Winchester model 12, sweet 16 when I sold the berries and asparagus to our neighbors. Anyway, I bought a pair of his birds for $5.00 which in 1952 was a king's ransom. That pair raised more babies and those birds raised babies and then I was selling some to my friends who wanted to raise birds. My first customer to buy a pair was Jerry Kohler who didn't have all the money but we worked out a deal. He had $3.00 and then threw in a red eye, a daredevil and an old lazy ike. That was fun to barter. We were both happy.

There were grain elevators in town and what a treasure trove they were. I had plenty of corn and wheat for my birds. I also found out that if I asked the farmers I could pick a few ears of their corn. They were more than abliging. It was fun.

When I was in Jr. High I had trained my birds to come to my whistle. So prior to going to school, I always put some corn in my jacket pockets and then when I walked home and could see my birds sitting on the roof top of our house I would start whistling. They would fly to me and land on my head and shoulders. Often I would extend my arm and they landed there also. Then with my other hand I would reach into my pocket and give them a treat.

Prior to going to college I found enough kids that gladly accepted some free pigeons and my life took another course. It wasn't until I moved to Anchorage, AK back in 1966, when I saw a copy of a pigeon magazine. It was named the American Pigeon Journal or APJ. In there I read about a guy in Poway, CA who raised white rollers that had orange eyes. Paul Platz was his name and I sent him a check for two pairs of his rollers and once again began raising pigeons. Paul was a wonderful man and we wrote often. He was a high school teacher. It was during this span of time that I found out that you can't raise pigeons just any old place. I got a letter from the zoning commission saying that my lot was too small for a loft so that I had to get rid of my birds. Well, I tried and was upset that I couldn't keep them but went to a man in town that I had met who lived in an area where he had a loft.

When I moved to Wausau, WI, we bought 40 acres of land about 8 miles east of town where our home was built. There was plenty of room to raise birds. That is when I contacted Paul Platz again and had him send me two pair of orange eyed, white rollers plus 4 pairs of Komorner tumblers that originated in Hungary. This was a magpie marked pigeon with a beautiful crest on back of its head. I had a pair of blues, blacks, reds, yellows and he sent along a free pair of silvers. That got me started in pigeon shows. I attended shows throughout the state of Wisconsin and drove to Minnesota to attend more. Then a friend I had met in Oshkosh asked me to go along to Louisville, Kentucky to the National Young Bird Show. I was hooked. I won ribbons and trophies and normally could sell enough of my excess birds to pay for the trip and also buy more pigeon food. I then began going to Des Moines, Iowa for another very big show.

What I also enjoyed was bringing a few of my birds to school to show the kids in my class and that of course meant that I would include another classroom or two who also wanted to see the birds. At this time of my life I had quit teaching and gone into sales selling school supplies. I found lots of schools to bring my birds to for those who wanted to see and maybe handle them.

I had about 30 different varieties of pigeons that I kept in 3 large lofts that I had built. I had rollers that could not fly and if you had the kids in a classroom sit on the floor in a circle, I would place one of those rollers in the middle of the circle. Everyone had to be super quiet. Then I pointed to just one of the kids and that was the signal for him or her to clap their hands just once. This frightened the roller and it would do backward somersaults across the floor and invariably end up in the lap of some one on the opposite side. The students about went nuts. They sure had fun with that.

When Bev and I moved to Socorro, New Mexico in 1997, I had probably close to 120 birds in the back end of my truck that had nice topper. We had made 5 trips to Socorro that year and in 3 of them we began building my first loft. I had the contractor who built our home, pour a cement slab that was 10 feet wide by 40 feet long. That was the size of my first loft. It was built off the ground about 20 inches and since I used a strong type of meshed steel for the flooring I did not have to worry about Pigeon Lung Disease which was big time for those who kept lofts and did not have proper ventilation. All the droppings fell to the concrete below and periodically I hosed it out to the back side, then shoveled the droppings into my Mule and dumped them down in the arroyo in a good spot. Some of it we used to fertilize the garden with and since we had planted over 300 rose bushes around the area, this was also used for that. I can't begin to tell you how easy it was to raise roses down here.

Anyway, I finally ended up with close to 550 birds and had just shy of 50 varieties. Lord was that ever fun. I wanted to also raise racing homers and so I built a small loft of just 8'x8'x14'. Bev and I would train those birds to fly north to south and this is when we would take a basket of birds and let them go in Albuquerque some place. Then we would get on the freeway, drive the 85 miles back to our home with 70 of those miles averaging about 75mph. The birds always beat us home. That was fun. But to be honest, Worth, I would sit on the steps of my racing loft and just observe them flying around the countryside where we live. With mountains for a backdrop and the deep blue skies of New Mexico, it was quite a beautiful sight to see a flock of 30 of the birds flying.


Since I started teaching again down here, I found myself in a 4th grade classroom. I can still remember the day that I brought 5 birds with me to school so that my students could see them and handle them if they wanted to. That was a fun learning experience. Prior to letting them go outside on the playground, I would give each student a small piece of paper, one inch by four inches that they could write about anything they wanted to (within reason) but they could not write their name. We wrapped the messages around the legs of the homers and secured them with rubber bands. I told the kids this was Pigeon Mail and no stamp was required. The kids drew names out of a hat if they wanted to be one of the lucky ones who would be releasing the birds. We all went outside to the playground area to watch the release. I had told them that they would circle at least two or maybe three times then head due south to their home which was the pigeon loft that Bev and I had built.

When it was 4:00PM, I could leave school for home. The first thing I did was go into the loft and pick the 5 birds off their perches. Then take the messages off their legs. The following morning at school I would read the messages and the class would have to guess who wrote each one. An example might read like this: "I love the Dallas Cowboys, my older sister is mean and my younger sister is a brat." Another might read:"Green chile cheeseburgers are the best. The Warrior girls basketball team rules." I have to admit they had fun.

Then one day, I brought just one ash red male racing homer to school. When we had finished talking about it two kids were picked to release it. They all watched him fly and then begin his circling. On his 2nd circle I happened to catch a glimpse of this fast moving dart like object up in the heavens heading for my bird. This took only seconds and that is when one of the students looked at me and said in a very loud voice,"Mr.Hansen, did you see that? "I sure did, Carlos," I replied. "What was it?" he asked. I looked at all the kids,whose eyes were as big as saucers and then told them about what they had just witnessed. Just west of the city of Socorro there is this beautiful mountain with lots of cliffs. These are perfect nesting sites for Peregrine falcons. When he hit that racing homer it looked like an explosion of feathers and then he flew away with the bird heading north. At that time I said this, "Well kids, what you just witnessed was Mother Nature at work. Remember it goes on 24 hours a day and never stops. Let's go into the classroom and discuss it. Oh, and you can forget about the Pigeon Mail." That was a good lesson for they had seen something that not many people witness in a lifetime.

Worth, I apologize for getting a little long winded. I love pigeons just like you do.
Al
 
I started raising pigeons to work my dogs. Had a co-worker that was complaining about the pigeons in town eating all the feed in his feeders and was trying to shoot them with a BB gun. I bought a trap for him and a holding box instead. He would call me as he was a shift worker and tell me when to take the long way home as he caught birds for me. Initially I just built a loft to house them for training...but then they started laying so I build a loft with nesting shelves. To be honest, keeping after them in the Winter was a challenge as everything would freeze solid.
Eventually I had more than I could handle and would give them to training buddies. Then I would get calls from the local vet when a banded bird was found. Usually someone had a Homer that could not make the trip. I would research the band but in all cases the owner thanked me asked me to release it. If it did not leave, they told me to keep it!
An old timer in town gave me a bunch of homers when he retired. I never did fly them, but have always thought it would be something I might enjoy in retirement.
When I moved to VA 20 yrs ago. I brought some of the pigeons. Then found out I could not have them where we bought so I gave them and the loft off to someone for dog training.
 
Al's post reminded me that I had a pair of Komorner tumblers, a pair of Blue Baldhead tumblers, a pair of white kings and a pair of brown Modena pigeons along with various local pigeons to start my flock. I believe I bought the fancy pigeons from California from adds in the pigeon journal. I also spent hours watching the birds.

Fond memories.
 
My grandfather raised racing/homing pigeons in the later part of his life. He would always have a few in his truck when he would drive around and release them. Of course they always made it back to the farm. While in college I ventured home during the Thanksgiving holiday waiting for opening morning of duck season in Kentucky. The Wednesday morning before duck season I drove to one of grandfather's farms to try to kick-up some quail with my lab. He also had about 3000 quail he raised in a flight pen yearly. He would constantly release the quail on the property for two reasons; one to try to help the quail population and two to hunt randomly. The great thing about this is that on the immediate 86 acres around the pen was filled with soft rolling CRP pastures and always had multiple, large covey of quail for those that made it through the past year. When I pulled-up to the farm I parked next to the tobacco barn and let Big Dog out of the truck. He immediately ran into the barn and flushed about 100 pigeons out the barn. Well in my past we always would shoot pigeons out of all the barns, granddaddy's orders. So guess what I did. I sat their and shot 16 birds as the kept returning to the barn. All of the birds were banded and very exotic looking unlike the local pigeons. I picked them out in flight because of the difference. Well my day was starting off good so me and Big Dog walked the property for about an hour and bagged 6 quail when I noticed my grandfather pulling up to the barn. Oh, I forgot to tell you that all the pigeons I shot were laying on my tailgate because they were going to be breasted later that evening. When he got out of the truck he walked over and stood at my tailgate for what seemed like and eternity as I walked about 200 yards to greet him. The last 75 yards of my walk was filled with scolding and about every curse word in the book. What I did not realize is that my grandfather was raising homing pigeons and I had just shot half of his prized birds because he purchased 30 birds of variety of colors. That day was a turning point on the knowledge I had gained about both pedigree based and racing/homing pigeons. I told my grandfather that I would purchase him all the birds I had shot. Well between the Yellow Trentons, Black Saddle, Blue bar saddle, Red Saddle, and Snow white Trenton I spent nearly $35 to $50 for a pair. Thankfully he did not want me to spend the money he had on the pedigree based pigeons which ran between $75 to $100 a bird. It took me about 6 months to afford all of those in college but I replaced his birds. This happened about 18 years ago this year. On another note he got mad at me because I did not call him sooner because he would have walked with me to shoot some quail. After about 20 minutes he had calmed down some and started laughing at the situation and like always he proceeded to tell me one of his stories of his youth where he had some similar situation around his father or grandfather. His ability to spend over 20 minutes on a story which half was BS and the other half was the God's honest truth was amazing. He is dearly missed and I have an appreciation for those raising these birds.


Regards,
Kristan
 
Just because a pigeon thread needs photos.

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Tim J, As for eating pigeons there is a very large difference between squabs and adult pigeons. Squabs are killed between 27-30 days old. Prior to leaving the nest squabs pack on a lot of fat. The adults stop feeding the squabs just prior to leaving the nest, and the squabs use the fat before learning to eat on their own. Also, and important, while the squabs are in the nest they don't use their wings to any degree. Therefore the breast meat is very tender. After leaving the nest, and using their wings, the breast meat turns tough. Adult pigeons, such as the common pigeons you shot while dove hunting, lack the fat and of course have been using their wings. If you get the chance, try a squab on the table! Best, Worth Mathewson
 
I sure like those pictures, Tim. Thanks for posting them. Don't worry about too many whites. The hawks seem to like them. I only have two left.
Al
 
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