Question on shotgun pellet manufactring

Mark W

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I am looking for information on how some of the newer shotgun pellets are manufactured (tungsten, bismuth, etc...) They can't be molded due to speed required and I don't think they are made the way the old lead and steel pellets are made. Curiosity and may have work implications as well.

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Mark
 
Actually Mark they are molded, at least some of the non-toxic pellets are. Bismuth and E-shot from Reloading Specialties (Pine Island, MN), are molded using powder similar to the way sintered metal parts are made. The difference, from my understanding, is that there is no significant heat applied during molding. Some non-toxic pellets use a polymer binder (Kent for one) that would allow molding in a similar style that injection molded plastic parts are made.

If you've ever seen Hevi-shot pellets there is no doubt that they are NOT molded as they look like welding splatter and are likely made with some form of shot tower ala lead shot manufacturing.

When Reloading Specialties was doing their development of E-shot I was in contact with their distributor - Bucks Run every couple of months. I was really anxious to try the E-shot. I took at least a year and maybe two before they were ready to bring them to market as they couldn't get the density right during the molding process. Initially they pellets fell apart too easily and wouldn't hold together during shooting. That was apparently solved as I got a bag of their shot later.
 
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Mark,

Here is some information gleaned from reading articles on fishing equipment. I would suspect shotgun pellets would be the equivalent of very small fishing jigs in manufacturing terms.

Tungsten fishing weights are not machined, nor are they melted and poured in a mold.
Unfortunately, the method of manufacture is beyond most individuals and home-businesses. Tungsten fishing weights (and virtually all other tungsten parts, rod, or plate used in manufacturing) are made by a process called 'compression forming.' Tungsten powder is poured into a die that is the desired shape of the finished product, and then using a hydraulically-powered ram or punch, the powder is compressed under enormous weight until the powder becomes one solid piece. The solid part is then ejected from the die, and carefully set aside.
What you have then, is a tungsten fishing weight that is about as hard and strong as an aspirin tablet. To make it strong enough to be used, it needs to be 'sintered.' Sintering involves heating the tungsten part in a furnace until the compressed powder just barely starts to melt, which essentially solidifies the part, and makes it strong.
Now, since tungsten's melting point is so unreasonably high, the tungsten powder used for compression forming has to be mixed with another metal that will melt during sintering. This is usually a few percent of copper, nickel, or iron, but other metals like tin are sometimes used. The small amount of copper powder (or other metal) in the mix is what actually (just barely) melts, and binds all the particles together. For some applications, the compressed tungsten powder/metal mix is so strong after compession, that it doesn't need to be sintered. Also, tungsten powder is very hard, so it tends to clump together and won't flow through the machinery very well and scratches the dies, and the addition of the copper/nickel/etc makes it less abrasive. Often a tiny amount of stearate or a special wax is added so the metal powder is easier to handle, and flows into the dies easier. If the part is going to be machined after sintering, the addition of copper and nickel make it MUCH easier to machine with cutting tools-- pure or nearly pure tungsten is very hard to work. Even very large slabs or or rods of tungsten for industrial/military use are made by the compression-forming process, and sintered.
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I would have thought that with the sheer volume of pellets that need to be produced each year molding would be out of the question. Unless it is a 1000 up mold (or more) and molding takes milliseconds, it would be tough to produce this way,

Thanks for the info everyone.

Mark
 
Mark W said:
I would have thought that with the sheer volume of pellets that need to be produced each year molding would be out of the question. Unless it is a 1000 up mold (or more) and molding takes milliseconds, it would be tough to produce this way,

Thanks for the info everyone.

Mark

Probably faster than carrying a bucket of molten lead up the narrow stairs of a shot tower. [whistle][whistle][w00t]
 
Huntindave McCann said:
Mark W said:
I would have thought that with the sheer volume of pellets that need to be produced each year molding would be out of the question. Unless it is a 1000 up mold (or more) and molding takes milliseconds, it would be tough to produce this way,

Thanks for the info everyone.

Mark

Probably faster than carrying a bucket of molten lead up the narrow stairs of a shot tower. [whistle][whistle][w00t]

Thought this is what interns, young employees or apprentices are for.

Mark
 
I don't mold tungsten but have done a variety of stainless, nickel, titanium, rubber and plastics.
Look up metal injection molding and I'm sure you will find some information that may interest you.

If you look closely at the pellets they will have a line through the center where the mold half's meet. Possibly an ejector mark as well. These might be hard to see as I imagine they are tumbled. These marks would be the dead give away to the molding process. Also, the odd shaped pellets come from molding. The cycle time would be fairly fast as shot is not dimensionally critical in terms of tight tolerances to what molds can hold. Anything guns has a forgiving tolerance except rifle barrels for that matter.

It might be easier to look up metal 3d printing to be able to determine what metals are molded now
days. These companies list all the powder metals and is more open to sharing than a mim company.

Feel free to pm me with any technical questions for manufacturing. I might be able to point you in a direction. Its alot to take on if you never been exposed to the trade.
 
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contact this guy, he lives near me and can answer any question you have or will ever have about shotshell. Nice as heck too, you wouldn't be bugging him. He pretty much help start the hevishot craze. He used to pay for his gun transfers through our old shop with cases of hevishot...and would bring us all the new loads to try out before it was available to the public.

Jay Menefee


https://www.polywadinnovations.com/
 
Buddy said:
I don't mold tungsten but have done a variety of stainless, nickel, titanium, rubber and plastics.
Look up metal injection molding and I'm sure you will find some information that may interest you.

If you look closely at the pellets they will have a line through the center where the mold half's meet. Possibly an ejector mark as well. These might be hard to see as I imagine they are tumbled. These marks would be the dead give away to the molding process. Also, the odd shaped pellets come from molding. The cycle time would be fairly fast as shot is not dimensionally critical in terms of tight tolerances to what molds can hold. Anything guns has a forgiving tolerance except rifle barrels for that matter.

It might be easier to look up metal 3d printing to be able to determine what metals are molded now
days. These companies list all the powder metals and is more open to sharing than a mim company.

Feel free to pm me with any technical questions for manufacturing. I might be able to point you in a direction. Its alot to take on if you never been exposed to the trade.

Thanks for the info. I'm not trying to mold metals but another material where I'll be making millions of pellets. The current process works but has issues. Just looking at how others make mass quantities of pellets. Next I'll look at air soft pellets which I bet are molded as well. I don't have the option to use a mold.

Mark
 
Sounds like you have a production rate in mind.

Can you share a bit more? Is millions a daily, weekly, or annual goal?

What's the shape and tolerance of the pellet?

I am assuming this is a soft material since your not molding metal? Can you share a bit more?

Is this a home project or for business? Budget?

This project has my interest! Depending on your requirements maybe there is another process that will work for you. Sounds like you have one in place already. Maybe it needs refined to keep up with current production?


Keep us posted or me! I enjoy hearing/seeing projects like this.
 
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