Russell Moccasin problem, update…

tod osier

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Some Friday fodder since everyone enjoyed hearing about my boot problems last time.... I thought I’d give an update to this thread…

http://duckboats.net/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=214677;search_string=%26quot%3Ba%20rant%20for%20your%26quot%3B;#214677

Despite my better judgment (and the DHBP brain trust's suggestion) I sent the boots back with the idea of them fixing their second mistake (putting the wrong soles on). I put a note in the box that said call me. I got a call from Bob the repair guy and he said that they were going to resole them, I said “really, resole?” and asked to have Ralph (owner, I now know) call me.

No call for a week and a half or two weeks. I called Ralph and he said yes resole, I asked if they would be good as new boots, he said yes. To me resoled boots are not new, but I must have been in a good mood. Ralph said boots would be out the door and in my hand the next week.

A couple weeks later, I called and talked to Bob (this is about 6 weeks in, I think, dates not my strong suit) and he said that the boots are not done, but they usually take 2-4 weeks for a resole (this is at 6 weeks mind you).

Couple weeks go by and I call Ralph, he said that he had the boots in hand and they would go out. At that moment I realized they had soled the boots with brown and the resole would be black and I asked him how they looked and he said fine.

OK, 2 ½ week later no boots and I called Ralph. He said that they were on his desk and a mistake. At this point I was at peace and they had finally demonstrated that I should give up. I told him I didn’t want the boots, since the reason I went with them was because I wanted a relationship with a company and I couldn’t trust them. At that point it was 11 months from order and I didn’t have boots I could wear yet and to me new boots are not resoled boots. He did just what I hope I would have done and said, that he would give me a refund and send the boots. I told him I would take a refund and didn't need him to send the boots. That was 3-4 weeks ago, I have nothing in hand – neither boots or check.

I called last week and called today.

They got the boots April 2 and it is almost July – almost 12 months from order…

At this point I would suggest not ordering boots from Russell Moccasins.

T
 
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That's a shame, but thanks for the heads up. I have a pair of Russell Cavaliers that are in need of resoling, but this has me hesitant to send them in for repairs.
 
You should have listened to my advise in your original post

Chuck


I know, I said that right up front, unless you don't count yourself as part of the "brain trust". heheh e
 
That's a shame, but thanks for the heads up. I have a pair of Russell Cavaliers that are in need of resoling, but this has me hesitant to send them in for repairs.


I don't know what to say, there is a disconnect there from what I'd expect and what I've seen as well as what I've been told and what I've seen.

I'm at almost 12 weeks on a resole to fix their mistake and been told several times a resole should take 2-4 weeks.

T
 
That's unfortunate Tod. Sounds like you gave them plenty of opportunity to step up to the plate.


Thanks Pete. It took me so long to commit to spending that kind of dough on a pair of boots that I guess that I let myself get jerked around. Part of it, I'm sure, is the old timey craftsman angle. I like supporting craftsmen and they sure have the down-homey Wisconsin thing going that plays right into my nostalgia for times gone by.

T
 
Got a check in the mail today...

On a side note, it looks like he didn't send the boots as he said he would. Then again, all along the way I was told a lot that I didn't get. I'm just hoping the check won't bounce when I cash it.

T
 
Tod, hate when a company doesn't come through. Have been dealing with alot of companies with fowl weather gear. Called one about a leaky jacket, was 5-6 years old. Was replaced no charge. LL Bean is excellent that way, took my mocs from me and replaced them in the store.
I expect good products for the price, if there is a problem get it solved. With the internet now the word goes around very fast.
I sell guns, if I don't do it right and on time, my reputation suffers.
 
That is a real bummer, Tod. There are so many "big box" stores out there now you would think that for these mom/pop outfits to compete they have to offer a superior product and excellent customer service. If this is their typical customers' experience I wouldn't expect them to survive...
 
That is a real bummer, Tod. There are so many "big box" stores out there now you would think that for these mom/pop outfits to compete they have to offer a superior product and excellent customer service. If this is their typical customers' experience I wouldn't expect them to survive...

It is hard to imagine how they stay in business given my experiance. It isn't like I was being overly picky. I ordered a standard configuration with 2 modifications, both of which I was charded for and both of which they got wrong (first the failure to modify for the insoles that they suggested ) and on the second go aroud they put the wrong soles on.

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Competition is a tough thing. People make mistakes and I know I've made my share. One mistake can be forgiven, two and I'm out of that customer account.

What's worse Tod, if I read your postings on this correctly is the lack of communication. I'm working with an outside vendor now and when I ask a question and get no response, this is totally unacceptable. If they don't think I'll like the answer, and thus the reason for not responding, this is unexcuseable. Another company I'm working with is now on it's last chance. If communication is not frequent and open, they are out the door. Because of their lack of response, I have to tell my customers "I don't know" which is a killer in my business.

Sorry about your troubles. I know all too well what it feels like to finally make the decision to order something and then being disappointed with the results. All too common in the world today.

Mark W
 
Competition is a tough thing. People make mistakes and I know I've made my share. One mistake can be forgiven, two and I'm out of that customer account.

What's worse Tod, if I read your postings on this correctly is the lack of communication. I'm working with an outside vendor now and when I ask a question and get no response, this is totally unacceptable. If they don't think I'll like the answer, and thus the reason for not responding, this is unexcuseable. Another company I'm working with is now on it's last chance. If communication is not frequent and open, they are out the door. Because of their lack of response, I have to tell my customers "I don't know" which is a killer in my business.

Sorry about your troubles. I know all too well what it feels like to finally make the decision to order something and then being disappointed with the results. All too common in the world today.

Mark W


I agree on the communication, but the failure to do what they said was the biggie. But there were just so many little weird things, that left me feeling like I was the crazy one. The first pair of boots came with the long stings of ground rubber still attached and hanging from the sole from trimming and the sides of the sole were rough with flat spots - it was clear that they were "custom" made. Also an extremely minor point, but I ordered the boots in dark brown and the first time they came they came with the bright yellow laces like on work boots. I just looked at them like, is my sense of what looks good so off that is is OK for boots to be dark brown and have bright yellow laces? I looked on the website and al the dark boots had matching dark laces. The second set with the wrong soles had dark laces. Every step of the way was like that.

I just hope when I cash the check today, it goes through.

T
 



I just hope when I cash the check today, it goes
through.




Tod,

Is the check written with black, yellow or red ink? Does the ink compliment or clash with the background color of the check? Inquiring minds want to know. :>) :>)
 
Is the check written with black, yellow or red ink? Does the ink compliment or clash with the background color of the check? Inquiring minds want to know. :>) :>)

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I bet he can't tell because the ink probably disappeared.

Trip.
 
That is a real bummer, Tod. There are so many "big box" stores out there now you would think that for these mom/pop outfits to compete they have to offer a superior product and excellent customer service. If this is their typical customers' experience I wouldn't expect them to survive...

It is hard to imagine how they stay in business given my experiance. It isn't like I was being overly picky. I ordered a standard configuration with 2 modifications, both of which I was charded for and both of which they got wrong (first the failure to modify for the insoles that they suggested ) and on the second go aroud they put the wrong soles on.

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Communication is certainly key and it's easier for a person to be patient if there is adequate communication. I think you were more than patient given the 12mth time period - much more than I would have been. It's not hard to see that their attention to detail is lacking and IMO, for a custom builder, that has to be spot on for a good customer experience.
 
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