Sculling follow-up post

David Archer

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I want to thank all of you scullers for replying. Honestly, I am thrilled to have contact with other scullers. I have had no contact with another sculler for almost thirty years until two years ago I ran up and talked to an old sculler taking out on Agency Lake (Oregon). He inspired me. Since I plan on moving back to my home in Montana, I posted an entry on a Montana duck hunting forum and mentioned my intent to take up sculling again. I got a number of requests for information, so much so that I wrote an article on my fishing blog, www.fishingtips101.com. However, having posed as an knowledgeable sculler in my article, I have since been realizing that my knowledge is so limited to just my experience, all of which was in total isolation for so many years. Yes, perhaps you may think that I have committed the unpardonable sin of sharing the secrets of a closed fraternity, but I am a retired high school English teacher, and I love to share and write. I would greatly appreciate any help you could give me on my article. Any advice would be worked into the article as a quote with attrition. My son said he would help me make a video. Here are some questions that I for scullers.

1. I never used grass or camo on my scullboats. Everyone that I met in California just used dull, battleship gray. Aside from small rivers, what advice to you have for open water sculling and the use of camo?

2. I had four scull boats in my life. The best one, which was heavy and tracked like a dream, had a fairly high wood combing. In the front of the cockpit was a u-shaped slot to look through. I had great success in that one-man boat, but when I went to two-man boats they had very small (2-inch) combing. Low profile! Keep low! was the mantra, and I bought into it. However, for the next fifteen years I flaired more birds, even though I blackened my face and wore a camo hat. So, here I am building my new scull boat with a 13" rise from the bottom to the top of the combing in the front of the cockpit. In the old one-man boat, I just kept track of my target bird(s) through the slot. I never flaired birds when my hand accidently came up a bit too high. I don't like my head so visible, especially since I wear glasses. Anyone have a position?

3. Speaking of glasses, does anyone have a solution. I will go to a single lens, but should I try photo-gray? I am too old to try contacts, but maybe I will have to try them ($$). Glass glare is bad!

4. Rafts of Ducks: I was never really successful sculling on large rafts of birds. Widgen used to drive me crazy in Montana. Once they started the "roll" it would go on and on. I know one technique is to parallel a raft, slowly inching closer and closer. Suddenly, you make a hard ninety degree turn and sprint. The birds in front would just keep going. The birds in back would stall. Some would jump, and i would close the distance and pick off the isolated birds. In my later years I had difficulty with this and my success rate really dropped, which frustrated me greatly. For the most part, I would just let them jump, and then I would slowly look around and find birds that just ignored the big jump and stayed put. Any thoughts?

5. I used to set out two small sets of decoys. Then I would anchor 100 yards away so that the decoys lined up in a straight line. If the birds landed in the set closest to me, I would start my scull. They would usually start swimming to the second set, and I would try and ambush them between the sets. If they landed in the farthest set, I would use the first set as cover. I really can't remember how far apart I would put the sets so next fall I will have to experiment. My anchor would be tied to a single decoy to mark my spot. It always amazed me how often I would return and see a single or a pair next to this lone decoy. Any thoughts?

6. In had good luck on frozen lakes in Wyoming. I would pick a bay that had ice formations sticking out in the bay. The biggest problem was retrieving birds on the ice with a fishing pole and a trebble plug. I never really used a white camo sheet, but I should have for better results. Any thoughts? (For safety purposes at my age I will be reluctant to take chance on launching across thin ice by myself.

Well, I have to set out the garbage. I hope someone shares.

Dave Archer
 
David-

This could be the start of a great post. I am headed out the door, but you've got my attention, and I will return and comment plenty.

-D
 
Hi Dave,
Intriguing thread. I've been an advocate of sculling for decades and it's my favorite way to hunt. Ok, whatever I'm doing at the time will be my favorite also. :) Sculling and the Brant II scull boat are the reasons I bought the Company.
I added another section to my website with "articles". I've got two sculling articles posted there. One is by Chuck Lichon in Michigan Out of Doors Magazine and the other is by myself in the 2005 Flats Book.
I'll post the links here and hope they work.
If they don't work, you can go to my website: www.lockstockbarrell.com and scroll down to "articles" and click on the sculling stuff.......pdf files. Ok....can't get the links to work. You can copy & paste into the browser or click on the articles on the website....doh. Ok, figured it out. ;)

http://www.lockstockbarrell.com/PDF-10-Articles/MOOD-ScullingLichon2.pdf

http://www.lockstockbarrell.com/PDF-10-Articles/FB-ScullingOneOar-Color.pdf

Holler with questions and I'll post up more stuff as it hits me.
Lou
 
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Lou, thanks for the links to the two articles. They were great reads. Having built a layout boat last year, I have been telling my friend that a layout boat and a scull boat would work well together. The problem was that he got so intrigued by my scull boat plug that he wants one too. When I sculled in Wyoming and Montana on lakes, my biggest worry and problem was getting the boat out to open water. When a hard freeze sets in the ice forms fast. I never considered sculling on a small, slow river. Now that I am retired, and having read your articles, I am going to give serious thought to sculling on some slow rivers in Montana. In twenty years of sculling, I always concentrated on open water hunting far from shore. In my final years, with so much shoulder pain, I would motor out to a raft. Too often, however, I would try and save my shoulders and I would get too close, which naturally put up the birds when I swung the motor up into the boat. I was also interested in a reference of 18" from the bottom to the combing. I just wish that I knew what height my best boat was. Today I pulled out a couple of photographs, but it was difficult to tell the height. I know that some of the west coast boats are only 13 inches! But the entire head is visible in these low boats. As of today, I have decided to add a raised combing and put in the peep-hole slot like my best boat.

Here is another question that I pose to scullers: From my experience with four scull boats, my best one-man Humboldt Bay boat was HEAVY! Even when I was young, I would moan and groan loading it into the back of my truck. My next boats were very light and squirrley. The old one-man had a full length keel and it tracked beautifully. Interesting enough, ounce I got it going it was the easiest to scull, and it would glide for long distances. The old sculler that I met two years ago had built a kevlar boat that weighed about 60 pounds! I have decided that I can not afford to build a Kevlar boat. I will have to put my scull boat on a trailer, but I wonder what other scullers think about the weight factor. The market hunters in San Francisco used heavy, redwood planked scull boats that just stayed in the water. Any thoughts?
 
Dave,
Glad you like the articles.

Personally, I like a sculler with a little weight to it. You at least need enough weight to keep the keel tracking and have the boat ride solid in the water. Too light and it doesn't want to behave as well.

Kevlar in a duck boat like that is......over rated in my book but that's just MHO. ;) It's added expense without that much return. An extra layer of Knytex 1708 gives the strength and weight advantage that makes the boat work better. For strength...overlapping at the keel gives you that. The real strength also comes in the boats flexibility....sounds wrong but it works. It keeps the boat from coming apart.
Lou
 
Dave,
Here are some different treatments/camoflage for the sculler. These are all our Brant II scull boat with different camo by us as well as a couple other fellas.
Lou

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Camo cover we designed for the Brant II

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Military Cut Leaf camo wire tied to a mesh


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Same Cut Leaf camo

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Grassed up using grassing rails


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After a great hunt double sculling a river
 
Lou, once again I want to thank you for your response. The photos were great! I especially like the idea of a removable cloth cover. I mentioned to my wife that I wanted her to make a couple for my layout boat. Now, I have to break it to her that I want one for the scull boat. I really like your design, especially the back rests for the two hunters, and the built-in boxes are clever. I note that one of your photographs shows a large outboard. It is my understanding that you can not have the prop in the water while sculling. I do note, however, that you have some room in the stern. Do you lay the motor flat and out of the water?

You sure have me thinking about river hunting. Years ago I hunted a river in Montana. It was frustrating because, although it was somewhat slow, it was still a freestone river. When I would spot honkers on the shore, I would hunker down, but inevitably I would end up drifting too close to shore and hit the small rocks and boulders with my keel. I do know of some rivers for this fall, and I just can't wait. I have also decided to raise my combing a bit, from 14" to 17". Again, thanks for sharing. You have a great looking boat!

Dave
 
Lou, the more I see your boats and read about sculling the more I know I need one. Too bad its just not in the buget yet. I'm thinking I should get it before I get married because then she couldn't "try" to say no. She already gives me crap for the 4 boats I already have. :) My only problem is you can only open water hunt on a few select lakes and rivers in Wi. Again great pictures and stories.
 
Lou, the more I see your boats and read about sculling the more I know I need one. Too bad its just not in the buget yet. I'm thinking I should get it before I get married because then she couldn't "try" to say no. She already gives me crap for the 4 boats I already have. :) My only problem is you can only open water hunt on a few select lakes and rivers in Wi. Again great pictures and stories.

Pat,
Depending upon what your budget will allow...I have a used one in stock right now that I'm selling for a friend who is moving to California. You can go to my website: www.lockstockbarrell.com and scroll down to the "classified" section and the top item in there is that Brant II. If interested, give me a shout.
Ya know, 4 boats should give you a bargaining advantage with your wife. What you have is a ...."collection" and a collection MUST be fed. ;)
Lou
 
Dave,
I'll post up some pics here of the camo cover. We developed this as a sculling cover as well as marsh blind and travel.
I'll also post up some pics in a follow up about a motor. When stowing the motor, it goes under the middle divider with the power head to the starboard side and the tail piece to port with the prop forward. My favorite motor is a 1-lunger, 4 hp Lawson-made by Sears years ago. Works great and it's easy/light to handle.
Lou
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Cover pulled up and staked as a dodger

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Blind is staked for marsh hunting

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Stakes & cross braces hold the blind for marsh - My son, Brian

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Inside view

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Top zips up for trailering. Gene Chandler & Fred Bremner (on right)
 
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[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]It is my understanding that you can not have the prop in the water while sculling. I do note, however, that you have some room in the stern. Do you lay the motor flat and out of the water?
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Dave,
Yes, you DO want your motor OFF the transom and stowed under the deck (middle section in our case as indicated in my last post). If the motor is ON the boat or IN the water, it's hard to convince a CO that you were NOT under way from motor power. Remove motor prior to sculling.
Here are some pics of the Brant IIX the day were did our first testing with it. I used a OMC 15 hp and we put it through it's paces. One thing we did was get up to full throttle (screaming on the water in this boat) and threw it full over into a turn. The boat handled extremely well and we could easily run around in 4-5 tight circles at full throttle with no problem. In the last photo, you can see Gene into the second round-about and the bubbles still visible from the first round-about.
Lou

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Gene in the boat on first day of testing the Brant IIX

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Just cruising

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Full throttle power turn......doing donuts.
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