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Tom Hickman

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So hunting a state owned impoundment with my nephew and his buddy. Talked with a few of the ?locals? hunting there trying to get some information and just to be friendly. They were somewhat helpful so we are feeling confident. My nephews friend had to walk back to his truck for an item he needed and forgot to lock his truck. As we get back to the parking lot and are loading our gear, he realized his mistake about not locking up and low and behold his additional shotgun he brought was gone!!! Some jackass or jackasses came into the parking area saw that his truck was unlocked and helped themselves. Sad thing is this was his son?s first shotgun and the area is so remote only locals would know how to get in there. What has happened to decency!!!
 
Tom

This stuff pisses me off so bad I want to strangle someone. If the law wasn't so easy on thieves a lot of this would go away, but our society just can't seem to stomach stiff penalties for common theft. The old days of taking care of the thief yourself are long gone too, and I don't recommend it. Not much you can do these days but lock everything down and insure the expensive things. IT SUCKS!

Eric
 
Where was this ? What kind of shotgun? Police ? I always lock my truck even if I am in the same parking lot..
 
That's sickening. I was 10 years old growing up in a suburb of Detroit. I got a brand new Schwinn 10 speed bike for my birthday. I owned it exactly 3 days and it was stolen. That was 43 years ago...........I hate a thief!
 
All gun thefts are a felony. As long as police report was made with serial number there is a good chance the gun will show up at a pawn shop. All second dealers have to report purchases to the PD.


Joe
 
Joe Daly said:
As long as police report was made with serial number there is a good chance the gun will show up at a pawn shop. All second dealers have to report purchases to the PD.


Joe
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I wish this was true where I live. All a thief has to do is go to one of the many pawn shops outside Huntsville and there is no serial number check, and they know that.
 
Eric Patterson said:
Joe Daly said:
As long as police report was made with serial number there is a good chance the gun will show up at a pawn shop. All second dealers have to report purchases to the PD.


Joe
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I wish this was true where I live. All a thief has to do is go to one of the many pawn shops outside Huntsville and there is no serial number check, and they know that.
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Had a shotgun stolen out of my locked truck many years ago. Serial number was included in the police report. Every year since, the sheriff's office in that county calls me to check up on if I have recovered the weapon. Every year I tell them, no, to the best of my knowledge it has not been recovered.
 
Thieves suck.
We should be able to put a gold brick on our front porch and never worry about it. I will never understood the lack of conscience these people have. It's not getting any better either. Justifying stealing seems to be a popular thing these days.
 
Joe Daly said:
All gun thefts are a felony. As long as police report was made with serial number there is a good chance the gun will show up at a pawn shop. All second dealers have to report purchases to the PD.


Joe
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I was just going to ask that. That's a really big deal for sure.
They don't call it "dope" for nothin'.....
 
Had my decoys stolen years ago and located them while working on my job. Got the police and recovered and arrested two young guys. Their lawyer said they were going in the military and the other college and needed the charges reduced. Done for the nice kids.
Neither went in the military or college... Never again, a thief is a thief...
 
Perhaps I should have said, all REPUTABLE second hand dealers have to report purchases to their local police agency. I speak with limited knowledge of agencies other then the NYPD, from which I am a retired police officer. Stolen property is routinely recovered as a result of this law in NY. All pawn shops and second hand dealers in NY require real ID in order to protect themselves from prosecution for receiving stolen property.

Joe
 
Joe

In Alabama there is no state-wide stolen weapon database. Some cities keep their own but nothing centralized nor state-wide. So all a thief has to do is sell/pawn the firearm in a different area than where they stole it and they will probably never be caught. Does NY state have a database they use? I wish we did here. Hard to believe in this day and age of cheap computing and storage state governments don't have them and with the capability to search other states as well. I'm not talking about a gun registry, just a stolen db.

Eric
 
Not just NYC --- the Federal government maintains NCIC. National Crime Information Center. All stolen firearms should be entered into it. I made an arrest for armed robbery and recovered a stolen engraved Holland and Holland side by side shotgun that was reported stolen in a burglary in Washington DC 2 years earlier. Unfortunately, the gun had the stock cut down to about 4" long and the barrels were sawed to 12". The owner came to NYC to get his shotgun and just about went into cardiac arrest when he saw it.
Joe
 
Here in SW Florida people go thru unlocked cars every night. Take money cell phones and every now and again a gun is stolen. I always think who leaves a gun in an unlocked car in their driveway? Bad enough it is stolen worse should some youngster get a hold of it.
Ken
 
As a note ..........I?ve been retired for over 20 years but back when I was working as a PD Detective our records dept was more than a year behind in data entry into the state system of stolen items. Some categories of stolen items (guns being one) were mandated priority into NCIC. My stolen Citori (house Burg that precipitated my buying a gun safe) was recovered over a year after it was stolen by an NCIC hit in neighboring state so it does work but.....even in our town of 250,000 pop. (at the time) some pawn/second hand stores still were caught taking items under the counter (guns and jewelry mainly) which caused them to be charged with a crime. They were required to weekly report (paper form) all Items taken into the shop by pawn or purchase. ?ONE? Detective and ?ONE? records clerk was task with going through the mass of paper work and doing the necessary data entry into the state system as well as NCIC. The ?ONE? detective was assigned to the pawn/second hand store detail. Besides screening the weekly reports and noteing items to be entered he watched for names of known crooks and then would alert the Burg detail (4 Detectives) to try and link up burg reports to the stuff the crook pawned). All before computers and during transition to computerized systems. Seems like there was 25 or 30 places back then that were licensed to buy and sell second hand stuff.

I can?t even imagine the volume that must come and go today. I believe that they have electronic reporting by the stores now but I?m sure that stuff still goes under the counter at times. Crooks will be crooks.
 

When we get to the point (Where we are now) of laying the blame on the person who's possessions are stolen is at fault.

Any sane person knows the world has become a ****ed Up Place!

That is just convoluted BS.

Keep on taking it, and it will only get worse.
 
Joe

The NCIC, as far as I know, isn't an open data source. Hence pawn shops and firearms dealers don't have access to check the guns that pass through their stores. My point is there is no public open source repository of stolen gun info to help people determine the gun they are about to buy is stolen. Stolen guns get recovered by law enforcement with the help of NCIC, but gun stores and pawn shops don't have access to this information and not many guns stolen are found as a bonus to a crime investigation. If I'm wrong about any of this please correct me. I'm just telling my understanding.

Eric
 
Eric Patterson said:
Joe

The NCIC, as far as I know, isn't an open data source. Hence pawn shops and firearms dealers don't have access to check the guns that pass through their stores. My point is there is no public open source repository of stolen gun info to help people determine the gun they are about to buy is stolen. Stolen guns get recovered by law enforcement with the help of NCIC, but gun stores and pawn shops don't have access to this information and not many guns stolen are found as a bonus to a crime investigation. If I'm wrong about any of this please correct me. I'm just telling my understanding.

Eric
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Eric,
While what you say is true, (the data base is not open to the public), one can still determine prior to purchase if a gun is in the data base. All that is required is to provide (in person) your local law enforcement with the serial number and make a request that it be checked against the data base. Law enforcement will confirm if the serial number is listed or if it is not listed. That is the extent of the information they will share with anyone outside of law enforcement personnel. At least, this is what can be done here in my locale.
 
In person? Too impractical to be effective at stopping stolen gun sales and recovering stolen guns. Not sure why this data is largely kept out of the public domain but honestly as some who had a shotgun stolen it pisses me off. Thanks for your input nonetheless.

Eric
 
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