A couple of years ago I got a mixed case of high velocity steel loads (winchester experts, federal ultra shok and speed shok) at wallyworld for $40.00 Last week when I went birding on the coast I got a good deal at the wallyworld in NH. Winchester HV experts in 4, 2, and bb's for 5 to 7 dollars a box. I picked up 7 boxes in total. I am in good shape now for next season for myself, my Dad and I have extra for my buddies if needed.