Bird Flu and handling ducks

Mark Wo

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Just read this and thought I would share. Not sure if the warning is any different than other years or if the info is just being seen in many more places.


Mark
 
I'm careful handling any game bird or animal. I always wash my hands well after touching any animal. I'm not overly worried about myself, but I wonder about my dog? Can they contract the bird flu? I haven't seen confirmation either way.
 
There's always a risk but I don't let it bother me. I hunted a rice field a couple years ago and when we got there we saw a bunch of dead geese. We proceeded to pick up and haul off probably 60 dead snows with no gloves. Dog even grabbed a few before I got her stopped. No issues for any of us.
 
I'm careful handling any game bird or animal. I always wash my hands well after touching any animal. I'm not overly worried about myself, but I wonder about my dog? Can they contract the bird flu? I haven't seen confirmation either way.
It has mutated and able to spread to livestock. Lots of confirmed cases in cows, not sure about a dog though. Obviously we saw cases in humans last year and im not so sure I didnt catch it from an obvious sick snow goose late late season. We have seen TONS of cases in snows last few years. Very rare for it to cause anything more than what feels like a head cold in humans and even cows. So Im sure if the pooch caught it, it would be fend off pretty quick or probably barely noticeable. Maybe some watery eyes, some sneezing and a bit of a drip from the nose is all I would expect to see if a dog caught it.
 
It has mutated and able to spread to livestock. Lots of confirmed cases in cows, not sure about a dog though. Obviously we saw cases in humans last year and im not so sure I didnt catch it from an obvious sick snow goose late late season. We have seen TONS of cases in snows last few years. Very rare for it to cause anything more than what feels like a head cold in humans and even cows. So Im sure if the pooch caught it, it would be fend off pretty quick or probably barely noticeable. Maybe some watery eyes, some sneezing and a bit of a drip from the nose is all I would expect to see if a dog caught it.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's the extent of the symptoms in mammals.
 
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's the extent of the symptoms in mammals.
Being a nurse... i actually did a LOT of reading on this. Last thing I wanted to read about was another fast mutating virus like Covid. From many medical articles I read, this virus is lazy and isnt overly active compared to flu and other respiratory virus'. In turn, many many scientists believed it would be a pretty long shot that this one became overly dangerous for mammals, but nothing is every impossible. Something in the MRNA makeup and the way it mutates made it a very different virus than most, and in good ways because it was sluggish and slow and non-opportunisitic is how it was described in lots of the articles I read. Its deadly on birds (as we have all seen) but for mammals its like a mini cold. There was one human death in Canada last year, but the person had TONS of comorbidities and honestly, any kind of virus would of likely been the culprit to death. It just happened to be the bird flu that this person caught.
 
Good stuff William.
I guess let me be more clear. For a virus that has been dormant and only a virus caught by avian, the fact that it has now mutated and able to spread to mammals has sparked a quick change relative to science. Still considered one of the slower mutating virus, but things are picking up with it. So you could say it is mutating fast now and things are changing within the virus. As far as it being deadly and affecting the neuro side of the body, like we see in avian, is what makes this virus so tame and mild if caught by mammals. The way it performs once in the body is sluggish and “non-opportunistic”. I read my last post and questioned myself so went back and checked a few things.

Also remember, the history of most virus is they change, mutate and become worse, and then slowly mutate themselves down to nothing again. Covid was this way. Alpha was the very first, and although deadly, it wasn’t near as deadly as delta (the next strain) but we just didn’t know what we were doing so it seemed terrible. Once delta hit, that was when I could walk down hallways, look in a room and predict death. If a patient got above a certain number on o2 need, and presented certain ways, I could pretty much predict they were on a vent or in icu within 24 hours. Unfortunately, I was RARELY wrong during that time. This was when we tried everything and nothing was working. We had chaplains hanging out on the floors for the staff because this was when you figured out who had their heels dug in for the nursing world. Once it mutated to omicron, we started seeing people survive, we had better treatments and the virus started to respond to anti-virals and antibiotics were able to actually work and help the lungs. I’ll never forget the first time we downgraded a patient out of icu to lower level of care. Talk about a win of all wins in the hospital. As time went on, the virus just got weaker and weaker and today, it’s really just seen as a cold.

The flu is still the worst virus we have today. Flu virus is actually a makeup of 31 different virus’. By far the quickest mutating. Due to how quick and how many strains, that’s why there isn’t a vaccine. Also, ever wonder why you get the flu shot but still get the flu?? New flu shots are made for each year, no 2 flu shots are ever the same. We take Australia’s data, since their flu season is considered before ours, and we take the top 2 strains they saw, and we make our shot for that flu season. Doesn’t mean you can’t catch one of the other 29 strains, but those strains are just more dormant that year. Statistically if we give a shot for the fiercest 2 strains that year (based on Australia data), we are saving life’s, but not curing anything. When we have a bad flu season, usually one of the strains running crazy isn’t in the flu shot and we got it wrong for our county and we aren’t seeing the same strains Australia did. There have been times, pharma has created new flu shots half way through flu season for this exact reason. Expensive though, and they don’t like getting it wrong.

So in turn, avian flu can be trying to become a quicker mutating virus and more deadly, but the mRNA makeup and the performance is still very slow and sluggish compared to many others. I think as it mutates more, it’s likely to become maybe a little worse, but as more time goes on, it will probably just die out and go back to being only an avian affecting virus.
 
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