Drawing building plans from an existing vessel

Steve Sanford

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Good morning, All~

Dax Hinton recently asked me how difficult it would be to draw plans to build an existing gunning boat - specifically the sweet "Midwest Gunning Skiffs" (my term) he found recently in a museum (?).
The short answer, I suppose, is very difficult. It is usually the province of trained and licensed marine architects. On the other hand, I have done it - and I imagine there are others here on the site that have done it as well. So, I will give an overview of the process and some random thoughts. I would encourage anyone to make the attempt.
I would also encourage anyone to read all of John Garner's books. This one has a lengthy chapter on Four Canoes - that would be a good starting point for anyone approaching this task. A beamier version of one of the 4 - to be decked over - may work for Dax.

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The example I will use is a Merrymeeting Bay Duckboat. John begins with some photos of the vessel - from various viewpoints. Note that none of the photos depict the boat in true cross section (aka section), profile (aka elevations) or from directly above (plan view).

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Some terms.....

Lines Plans These are the end result of lots of careful measuring and drawing. For many small craft, all the necessary information is presented on a single sheet.....

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Construction Plans - But construction details are usually depicted on a separate sheet.

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Taking the Lines - This is the painstaking process of measuring an existing vessel - paying strict attention to level, plumb and square - even when most of the shapes are curves. Howard Chapelle spent many years taking the lines off small craft of all kinds back in his day. (Another book I recommend to all!)

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Here's a jig I made to help me take the lines off the TED SANFORD - a Great South Bay Scooter designed and built by Benjamin Hallock about 100 years ago.

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See the whole process - beginning around Gallery 13 - in my post about the TED SANFORD:
https://stevenjaysanford.com/great-south-bay-scooter/

Scantlings - These are the thickness and width of the pieces of lumber that go into a boat. Most gunning boats are built with "light scantlings" - many work boats are built to "heavy scantlings".

Sketch Plans - These are often not-to-scale conceptual drawings - either as the first step for sophisticated vessels - or as "the plans" for simpler craft. This sketch captures everything I needed to build SWEET GHERKIN.

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So, if any designer - professional or dedicated amateur - wanted to draw plans based on a few oblique photographs, he or she would need to set some "hard" parameters: LOA, beam, depth, deadrise, crown - and then make lots of decisions about the actual shapes. The traditional process of hull design began with carving a half-model (Below probably not suitable for most gunning waters....), taking the lines from it, then scaling up to full-size.


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With the advent of plywood, small-scale cardboard of thin balsa models can suffice for simpler craft.

S- Dax et al - I hope this overview has been helpful!

SJS
 
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Lofting boat hulls has come a long way baby! I had a little experience with scanning a boat hull for a company here in Illinois with a contract company before I retired. Here is a link that shows the procedure with a good description of how a boat builder goes about creating 3d models to create a mold from the scan. It's pretty interesting. I have some 3d models and cad drawings on a backup drive somewhere. I'll have to dig them out if I can find the files.

 
Lofting boat hulls has come a long way baby! I had a little experience with scanning a boat hull for a company here in Illinois with a contract company before I retired. Here is a link that shows the procedure with a good description of how a boat builder goes about creating 3d models to create a mold from the scan. It's pretty interesting. I have some 3d models and cad drawings on a backup drive somewhere. I'll have to dig them out if I can find the files.

Good morning, Ed~

Well...just pop the files into a 3D printer and then I'm all set to go hunt virtual Mallards!

Very cool stuff - thanks! I have been thinking of finding someone to scan one of my sleeping duck "hood ornaments" (bow handles) - for eventually casting some from bronze. A real back burner project - but I figure the first step is the scanned file...

All the best,

SJS
 
Good morning, Ed~

Well...just pop the files into a 3D printer and then I'm all set to go hunt virtual Mallards!

Very cool stuff - thanks! I have been thinking of finding someone to scan one of my sleeping duck "hood ornaments" (bow handles) - for eventually casting some from bronze. A real back burner project - but I figure the first step is the scanned file...

All the best,

SJS
That would be cool! I always liked that handle design you have. My son has a 3d printer.... 🤔
 
Been away for a while and just catching up on various threads. I have a little book put out by the New Brunswick Museum called "Catch a Line". It's been years since I read it, but it does provide a field method for copying lines off boats. Book is ~40 pages. I could scan it if someone is interested, but I'm not sure about copyright. Here's the cover.
 

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Good morning, Scott~

I just found - and ordered - a copy of Catch a Line on eBay. I'm not sure how many more vessels I will measure up - but I am always interested to learn how others approach the many different "chores" that are part of boat building.

My first attempt at "taking off lines" was on my Dad's 22-foot gaff sloop - almost 50 years ago. I did it on a lawn - with stakes and strings for reference elevations. I needed an approximation of the underwater hull shape so I could design a new centerboard. The approach was evidently "good enough" because we sailed her happily for many years.

As an aside, I have often wondered how Howard Chapelle did his work - taking lines off scores (hundreds) of small craft in many different boatyards. Were I him, I would have towed a small flatbed trailer with marked centerline and stations and the works....

More recently, I took the lines off this Ralph Cranford Grassboat - built about 100 years ago. Some may know Ralph's name from Joel Barber's WILD-FOWL DECOYS - which shows a gorgeous natural cork Black Duck. Cranford was an architect who lived in Babylon (on Long Island's south shore) and included many fine details in this common type of gunning boat - common through most of the 20th century on Great South Bay.

I had a level floor (Village of Babylon Historical Society) as a reference - and very few curves - so measuring was simpler than most boats. I have a foll of marked-up sketches and will someday turn them into drawings/plans.

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All the best,

SJS
 
Steve that looks like a nice South Bay Puntie. I do hope you document and develop some drawings of her. Tom
Good morning, Tom~

It's quite the gunning boat. I hope to show it at the March 2026 LIDCA Show - as the Vintage Vessel.

When I measured her up - crawling around on the carpet for an hour or so, I discovered that her bottom was double-planked. This was evidently done both for water-tightness and to add a bit of camber. Never seen either in a puntie!

Wish me luck (finding the time) !

SJS
 
Good morning, Tom~

It's quite the gunning boat. I hope to show it at the March 2026 LIDCA Show - as the Vintage Vessel.

When I measured her up - crawling around on the carpet for an hour or so, I discovered that her bottom was double-planked. This was evidently done both for water-tightness and to add a bit of camber. Never seen either in a puntie!

Wish me luck (finding the time) !

SJS
Interesting, is there a layer of painted muslin or canvas between the bottom planks?
 
Interesting, is there a layer of painted muslin or canvas between the bottom planks?
Tom~

This old brain does not recall. But I certainly imagine a light canvas + white lead in the sandwich.

Here is the camber at the stern. I imagine it's a big help when the water gets really skinny. No runners or skeg.

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The inner planking runs athwartships - and the outer planking runs lengthwise. I do not know who built this vessel - but they knew what they were doing!

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A comfortable backrest. You can just make out the cross-planking. And, the deck is canvas-covered and most of the thatch is held there by a network of bronze wires. There are more conventional thatch rails elsewhere on the boat - coamings, stool rack - even the folding oarlock stanchions.

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A closer look at the inner hull. Looks like clear Atlantic White Cedar - or maybe Cypress - to my eye.

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All the best,

SJS
 
Good morning, Scott~

I just found - and ordered - a copy of Catch a Line on eBay. I'm not sure how many more vessels I will measure up - but I am always interested to learn how others approach the many different "chores" that are part of boat building.

My first attempt at "taking off lines" was on my Dad's 22-foot gaff sloop - almost 50 years ago. I did it on a lawn - with stakes and strings for reference elevations. I needed an approximation of the underwater hull shape so I could design a new centerboard. The approach was evidently "good enough" because we sailed her happily for many years.

As an aside, I have often wondered how Howard Chapelle did his work - taking lines off scores (hundreds) of small craft in many different boatyards. Were I him, I would have towed a small flatbed trailer with marked centerline and stations and the works....

More recently, I took the lines off this Ralph Cranford Grassboat - built about 100 years ago. Some may know Ralph's name from Joel Barber's WILD-FOWL DECOYS - which shows a gorgeous natural cork Black Duck. Cranford was an architect who lived in Babylon (on Long Island's south shore) and included many fine details in this common type of gunning boat - common through most of the 20th century on Great South Bay.

I had a level floor (Village of Babylon Historical Society) as a reference - and very few curves - so measuring was simpler than most boats. I have a foll of marked-up sketches and will someday turn them into drawings/plans.

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All the best,

SJS
Hi Steve,

Been offline for a while now.. putting up a small timber frame for my pizza oven and it's taken a little longer than I anticipated. Been a fun project. I've scanned and shared the book with Eric. I think he will post it to the resources section. I scanned it with my phone, maybe you will have a better device for scanning. I dug it out a couple of years ago. Here on the Lac St. Pierre there are a lot of marshes that have to be polled to get into the good spots. A friend has a little boat that he loves for pooling in the marsh and I was going to try and capture the lines format.

Hope you find it useful.
Scott
 

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Hi Steve,

Been offline for a while now.. putting up a small timber frame for my pizza oven and it's taken a little longer than I anticipated. Been a fun project. I've scanned and shared the book with Eric. I think he will post it to the resources section. I scanned it with my phone, maybe you will have a better device for scanning. I dug it out a couple of years ago. Here on the Lac St. Pierre there are a lot of marshes that have to be polled to get into the good spots. A friend has a little boat that he loves for pooling in the marsh and I was going to try and capture the lines format.

Hope you find it useful.
Scott
Good morning, Scott~

Gorgeous! I can practically smell that pizza from here!

As a good friend once observed: "There is nothing like building!"

Our house and 2 of our barns are post-and-beam. I hope (someday!) to build a little cabin out back in the log house style. The house v. cabin distinction is that each log in the house is squared all 4 sides before all the intricate notching et cetera. My "foundation" will (would?) be Black Locust and the logs Red Pine - both cut here on the farm and sawn by my neighbors. Lots of projects on The List, though, before I get to it.....

All the best,

SJS
 
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