$4 a shell? Holy cow!

Kim,
You make some very good points. On solubility, much depends on the PH. Your second point is also valid but I will take it one step further. Hitting ducks/geese in the head and neck region guarantees a kill. I think where hunters go astray with steel shot, or any shot for that matter, is using too large of shot size for sufficient pattern density. IMHO, BB shot and above are useless in a 3" 12 gauge. Not many people in my age group are interested in using a red dot sight for their shotgun, but one unexpected consequence was hitting the vast majority in the head and neck. Consider this, I have recovered many TSS pellets from turkeys shot at extended range. No penetration; stopped just under the skin. If the very best shot in existence won't penetrate past the feathers, what can we expect from less dense materials? Perhaps if the money spent on $4 shells was spent on target loads for practice or an Aimpoint Acro, cleaner kills would be the result. RM
Well, my issue with steel shot (granted, from the early days, I havent retried it since) was that steel had a tendency to go "through-and-through". The result was that some (noticeable) percentage of birds that used to get knocked down kept flying. They may very well have dropped out of the sky stone dead a hundred yards later.

No clue on TSS, havent made that jump, yet.
 
Kim,
You make some very good points. On solubility, much depends on the PH. Your second point is also valid but I will take it one step further. Hitting ducks/geese in the head and neck region guarantees a kill. I think where hunters go astray with steel shot, or any shot for that matter, is using too large of shot size for sufficient pattern density. IMHO, BB shot and above are useless in a 3" 12 gauge. Not many people in my age group are interested in using a red dot sight for their shotgun, but one unexpected consequence was hitting the vast majority in the head and neck. Consider this, I have recovered many TSS pellets from turkeys shot at extended range. No penetration; stopped just under the skin. If the very best shot in existence won't penetrate past the feathers, what can we expect from less dense materials? Perhaps if the money spent on $4 shells was spent on target loads for practice or an Aimpoint Acro, cleaner kills would be the result. RM
pH is just a measure of acid strength. The solubility also depends on the type of acid and the presence of other elements - bismuth is only soluble in hydrochloric acid if oxygen is present. Neither metal is very soluble in weak hydrochloric acid (such as in stomach acid). Some acids such as sulphuric can form a stable a stable surface layer compound with the metal which halts further dissolution.
A soluble or absorbable form of a metal (such as lead oxide in lead paint) is much more biologically accessible than the solid form.
My understanding of the approval process in the 1970's-80's for alternatives to lead shot was feeding them to wildfowl and evaluating any illness or adverse effects. Bismuth, iron and tungsten matrix passed as a result of such toxicity challenge testing. That to me is very different from PFOAs which back in the 1940's-50's were not required to be tested for toxicity or cancerous potential.
 
pH is just a measure of acid strength. The solubility also depends on the type of acid and the presence of other elements - bismuth is only soluble in hydrochloric acid if oxygen is present. Neither metal is very soluble in weak hydrochloric acid (such as in stomach acid). Some acids such as sulphuric can form a stable a stable surface layer compound with the metal which halts further dissolution.
A soluble or absorbable form of a metal (such as lead oxide in lead paint) is much more biologically accessible than the solid form.
My understanding of the approval process in the 1970's-80's for alternatives to lead shot was feeding them to wildfowl and evaluating any illness or adverse effects. Bismuth, iron and tungsten matrix passed as a result of such toxicity challenge testing. That to me is very different from PFOAs which back in the 1940's-50's were not required to be tested for toxicity or cancerous potential.
Good information, thanks!
 
Many here are familiar with the research posted by Tom Roster, but I think it bears repeating. The double blind study also tests the lethality of other non/less toxic shot besides steel. RM
Thanks for sharing, will go looking for his research. My personal experience has not been similar.
 
Thanks for sharing, will go looking for his research. My personal experience has not been similar.
Nor has mine, and I go through a lot of ammunition. I've tried various Bismuth and Tungsten loads, with the exception of the TSS. I'm excited to try TSS in my 28's.

This statement caught my attention:

Hunters shooting steel did require more shells to bag their birds (ducks, geese, pheasants and doves) than with lead loads. That’s because the hunters missed significantly more with the steel loads than with the lead loads tested.

This is likely because steel and all hard tungsten-composite pellet types produce a significantly shorter and narrower shot string than lead or bismuth shot. This demands more precise shooting because, unlike lead and bismuth, all current hard nontoxic shot possess rounder pellets to begin with, which do not deform during shell-firing and barrel passage. Shot patterns are directly proportional to how consistently round a load’s pellets are when they exit the muzzle.

Missed more, or crippled more that were counted as missed? I'm going with the latter, as I regularly hear steel shot hitting birds that fly off apparently unfazed. I don't hear it with Tungsten loads, once in a while with Bismuth. I will not shoot steel unless it's an emergency. And the majority of misses have 0 to do with shot string or tight patterns, people shoot behind the birds. No bird was ever killed by shot that passed behind it. If I understand the test parameters correctly, it was blinded so the shooters didn't know what they were using. They therefore couldn't correct for shot type by changing chokes as an average Joe would, so the pattern statement is a maybe.

I agree inside 35 yards or so steel is fine. That's great for guys with a honey hole where birds drop in their lap. Those of us who hunt public areas aren't usually so lucky, my average shot is more than 35 yards.

In my experience people who don't lead the birds enough are to blame for many cripples with any shot type. To see this in action, watch any video produced by guides with guys shooting at coots/scoters. PitBoss has a whole series this year. They shoot behind almost every one, and the ones that drop are typically cripples. Having shot far to many coots and eiders in my life to post the number, I'll just say shooting from a rocking boat is a challenge but the motion doesn't make you shoot behind. Somebody needs to make an instructional video explaining lead on crossing birds. If no other point gets across, people need to learn to focus on the head and lead it to minimize gut and butt shots. When you see a puff of feathers come out of a bird, those are the butt feathers. One pellet in the head/neck is worth a half dozen in the body.

Boss Bismuth has been good out to 45-50 yards, it gets used in marshes where we expect birds to handle reasonably well. I will miss it when my stash is depleted but will replace it with a Tungsten alloy. Steel will rust on the shelf. I used the original Bismuth loads in the early 90's (I forget the manufacturer, not Boss), they were not very good, so not all Bi loads are created equal.

In other situations, the best I have used is the Remington HD #4's. Big medicine out to beyond where I'm going to shoot. I'm sorry to disagree with the study and opine that no steel load will be as capable as a Tungsten shot payload. Ever. Call me a radical for considering basic physics, silly stuff like 1/2MV^2.

Abandon rumor, hearsay, and internet forum discussions about nontoxic shot.
Normally I enjoy Tom Roster. He's written many good articles, especially on reloading. I applaud his efforts to test various shot types, and I don't doubt that the results of the study are reported accurately. I'm clenching my fist to keep my middle finger from saluting this condescending statement.
 
Many here are familiar with the research posted by Tom Roster, but I think it bears repeating. The double blind study also tests the lethality of other non/less toxic shot besides steel. RM

RM,

Thank you for posting this. I agree with the study results and Mr. Roster. When you hear steel shot hitting birds the shots are to far. I've learned this from personal experience. Steel shot is very lethal for waterfowl and upland birds in the many years that I've used it. Tain't the ammo it's the shooter most certainly in my case.

my 2 cents
 
Many here are familiar with the research posted by Tom Roster, but I think it bears repeating. The double blind study also tests the lethality of other non/less toxic shot besides steel. RM
This is an excellent study. Thanks for sharing.
I shot steel over the 28 of the 30 years I duck hunted. Once I got glasses and a gun that fits, and found a load I had confidence I and understood the limitations of that 3” 1 1/4 oz #3 steel load, I had a high level of success and low numbers of cripples, even on divers.
Once again, it’s the shooter, not the load or the gun, that’s key factor. IMO.
 
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