16ga. 3 inch paper shells

Never heard of a 3"
Could it be a misprint? We have 16 gauge Winchester buckshot that is used in 12 gauge boxes. Could be the similar case there and they just misprinted when they changed boxes.

Still cool that that box exists
 
Did they measure the shells? Are they really 3"?
Either way, pretty darn cool
 
Some European shotguns in 16 gauge were chambered in 3" . Not 100" sure but I believe browning Citoris & BPS,s in 16 will shoot 3" length. Any owners out there want to check their barrel markings to confirm that. Huglu doubles are chambered in 3" 16 gauge. In the past Win Model 21,s and some other American doubles were chambered for it. Good little article concerning it on GunTalk.
 
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They are 3 inch shells. It is not a misprint.

His grandfather shot them many, many years ago, and stated "they kicked like a mule".


Roy -

Thank you for the info on GunTalk. I will forward it.

Best regards
VP
 
They made 3 in in all ga.'s, yes even 28 ga. if you wanted them just ask the shell company to make them, parker made guns for them. most of the time it was for better wadding not more shot.
scott
 

Scott thanks for the info.

The more wadding makes sense, for back in the day technology of lead shot, powders, and hulls used.

I recently read that the 3 inch 28ga. is being considered for production and sale.

As you wrote, it's all been done.


Best regards
Vince
 
I have a few paper shells so your post got my interest and I visited couple shell collector web sites. Your 12 gauge shells could have been produced between 1901 to 1905 when they produced the shells with a maroon hull. I copied a time line I found which is pasted below.

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1901?Introduced by U.M.C.?Maroon case?Very high smooth head?U.M.C.Co. No 12 ARROW

1905-1910?Case color changed to Salmon.

1911?Headstamp changed to ?REMINGTON U.M.C. No 12 ARROW?

1912?Ring and words added to base cup under a patent of 12 March 1912. The purpose was to allow space for the cup to expand. This helped prevent ?case cut-off? which had been been a problem before.

1916?Headstamp changed to "REM-UMC No 12 ARROW

Ca. 1921-1923?Arrow brand listed with the ?New Remington Wetproof? case. Case color is still Salmon.

1929?New ?Lacquered? cases listed. Color not listed, but most likely changed to Green.
Note that the Lacquered shells are NOT the same as the Wetproof shells.

1931?Color listed as ?Glossy Green Finish?


1933?Color for ?Arrow Wetproof? listed as Red. ?Arrow Lacquered? is ?Glossy Green?

1934?Remington introduces ?Patented Corrugated? shell, but ONLY in Nitro Express.

1936?ALL (Including Arrow) now listed with corrugated case.

1937?Most, but not all, ?ARROW? loads listed as ?Being Discontinued?.

1940?The ?ARROW EXPRESS LACQUERED? shells now have the headstamp ?ARROW 12 GA EXPRESS?. The ?ARROW WETPROOF? still has the old REM-UMC headstamp.

1948?Last listing for ?ARROW? brand shot shells is the 2 Jan. 1948
 
Paul -

Thanks for the info about the 12ga. shells, but it's the 16ga. three inch shells that we are searching for info on. They were patented in 1912 per info on the box., and I do believe purchased not long after that. Your info does provide a time line as to when Remington produced the Arrow shotgun shell.


Best regards
Vince
 
I see individuals are offering 3" 16 gauge Arrow shot shells in the vintage ammo section of GunBroker for $150.00 to $175.00 per box. I think individual shotshells sell better than full boxes and I see some individual 16 gauge Arrow shot shells being actively bid.
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Don't know for certain how many 3 inch 16s were made by the English makers, but I recall a WW Greener 3 inch 16, with 34 inch barrels, that was sale several years ago in London. Very interesting gun. Best, Worth Mathewson
 
Worth -

Can you recall the weight of that WW Greener?

I can only imagine how such a 16ga. would feel while shouldered.


Best regards
Vince
 
Vince, I saw that gun over 30 years ago, picked it up and would guess the weight was around seven pounds? Perhaps more? If I remember correctly it was one of Greener's guns called FAR KILLER. That model of gun is uncommon and all I have ever seen, aside from the 16 bore, were 12 bores. The 34 inch barrels were of great interest to me, and for a short period I gave consideration to buying it. But if I recall the price was somewhat above $3000, and of course there was no way to get 3 inch shells. But I am willing to bet it is a very rare gun. Hope your season was ok. Here in western Oregon we had the worse season any of us can remember. Just no ducks. Almost period! Best, Worth
 
Worth -

That is very interesting and a good story. How about that name. FAR KILLER? Ain't nothing like the truth... Could never get away with that these PC days. FAR HARVESTER maybe.

At that weight, and barrel length the balance had to be pretty enticing. I imagine that the price today would be north of $3000.


Unfortunately, due to a vehicle accident I missed the entire season for the first time. I did do some "lookin around" and kept my ear to the ground with close friends that are ardent waterfowlers near and far.

Reports were mixed, with some saying November was very good, then it dropped off. Were we live the migration makes itself known. This season it seemed that if ya blinked ya missed it. All types of hunting seemed to be off. Hopefully it's a case of the hunted having a better season than the hunters.

Best regards
Vince
 
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