2-stroke motors

BrentS

BrentS

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Isn’t there any way to get around the horrible 2-stroke outboard motor ban?
There must be a way to sell new motor “parts”…..sell the upper half separate from the lower unit?... and then the user simply bolts them together and enjoys!
Maybe import the parts from abroad?
Could the EPA really have thought of everything, when they enacted this ban?


.....it's just such a shame.
 
Ha!
Well, what I'm really trying to do, is encourage someone to set up the market....so that we can all benefit. :)
 
Ha!
Well, being that I'm so tired from the horse-n-buggy ride down to the water, at least I can get some relief from not having to paddle my boat.
 
And screw water quality right? What's oil in the water compared to performance anyway?



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+1. I have an old 2 stroke 15 horse that runs well and can't afford an Etech or 4 stroke right now. But the oil slick and smoke cloud that trail me around induce a lot of guilt, and when I reach the point I need (or can afford as a choice) a replacement, it will be a cleaner modern motor.

Interestingly, I was in Belize about a decade ago and just about every boat for commercial fishermen, fishing guides, and dive charters had a near-new 4 stroke. I was surprised, as back then that was NOT the case with commercial fishermen or charter captains at home. The explanation: Gas was very pricey--$5 a gallon, if I remember--and the run out to the reef to fish or dive was about 20 miles each way. Fuel economy was key to keeping costs down, so 4 strokes fit the bill.

I just had a ride in my buddy's new 16' Lund with a 25 Etech, and I am jealous as hell of the quiet, fuel economy, and new shiny stickers!
 
Etch is an outstanding motor. I am very impressed with them. It is what the government uses, military, etc. it is a clean burning two stroke, and you can buy them new.

Also, if you keep your eyes peeled you can buy a relatively recent true two stroke for a good price used.

I will never own a four stroke again if I have options. I have had three and I just have no use for them. Every time I got one I was promised that they had come a long way from when I bought the last one.
 
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I'm in Canada, and they sold 2 strokes here until as late as 2011. I bought a 20hp yamaha 2 stroke made in 2011 as new old stock in 2013. I had never had a 4 stroke previously. Then I picked up a fishing boat with a 99 honda 50hp on it. If I could do it over I never would've bought that 2 smoker for my duck boat, knowing what I know now about 4 strokes, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!
 
Honestly, there should have been a HP max for future 2 strokes to be manufactured .
Try putting a 4 stroke 15-25hp on a 12' sneakbox or a 14' aluminum skiff.

I love Etec's but a 25hp with electric start is 167 lbs. A old 2 stroke is 112lb. HUGE difference in boat performance. And no I don't care about water/air quality. I want to be able to run a small 2 stroke WITHOUT ethanol in the gas. Yes I'm stomping my feet like a 5 year old.... LOL
 
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The last models of 2 strokes were not big smokers or polluters. If you have an old one that is different. I have a 1997 Mercury 9.9 and 2005 Yamaha 25. Neither of those motors smoke much or leave a sheen on the water. I see more of that from my Suzuki 140, and that is mostly from the trim and tilt unit. I prefer a 2 stroke in a smaller motor, up to a 50 or the vicinity. But you are going to have to go to Mexico or maybe the Caribbean to find one new. It is not really practical or cost effective. I feel lucky to have what I have, especially because my Mercury was stolen last year and I happened to find the exact same motor for sale about a month later and bought it immediately. 76 lbs. vs. about 100-110.
 
I have a four stroke on my fishing boat and would never, ever go back to two strokes in the larger power scale. Not having to buy/mix oil and the smoke/smell is such a huge benefit in addition to the environmental impacts and fuel economy. That being said... I cherish my 15 and 25 yamaha two strokes for the duck boats. The lighter in weight the better when it comes to dragging a sneakbox off a mud flat. If yamaha comes out with a < 80 lb 15 four stroke then I'd change my tune.
 
No doubt 4 stroke for large outboards is the way to go.

But then again if I had a big boat I would run diesel. Same in trucks.

Oh no! That's the Devils fuel.

Flower power is the future's fuel, man! Let me guess Soylent Green isn't people either?

the insane EPA emissions now is bull shit.

I'll run 2 strokes for small outboards as long as I can find them.

I would buy them brand new or pay an excise tax to import them

If you can find a way to get one let me know.
 
Chris, No really it is "sustainable" HAHAHAHAHA. Oh boy don't get me started on renewable ethanol. Low energy, bad fuel, government subsidies, polluted water, marginal land being plowed and put into corn, the idea of burning food, not mixing with all lubricants, attracting water, costs more to produce than it is worth, we have oil in ND, people making the decisions are clueless political hacks, high detergent quality of ethanol clogging filters, pathetic shelf life. Kind of a rant but having an inferior product forced down our throats really doesn't sit well at least with me. Oh well I will just sit down to a heaping plate of Soylent and shut up now. ;-))
 
I've been looking at etec's 30-40 for a while until someone told me about tohatsu. They look like the most versatile. You can get a new 2 stroke, short shaft with e-start, tiller, and tilt/trim. I've talked to several people about them. Very good motors.

I should clarify... Smallest 2 stroke is a 40hp.
 
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