Anyone ever had a dog do this?

Cody Williams

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Just thought I'd see if anyone else has had a problem like I had a few days ago-my Chesapeake, Sage, is almost 8 years old this is his 7th season hunting. I got him at 8 weeks and he has been through the whole modern gun dog training program-obedience, force fetch, marking, handling, lining, the whole 9 yards. He generally performs really well, has his ups and downs like any other dog, but I've been really happy with his performance overall.

The #1 problem that I have had with him is that he is a bit rougher on birds than I would like-he doesn't really crunch them, but marks from his canine teeth will be on every bird that he retrieves-never enough to be a big deal so I've always accepted it as being part of hunting with him. He isn't possessive of his birds and will deliver them to hand (to me at least, he's much more reluctant with other people).

Last week we were out hunting and I shot a goose, it was dead on the water so I sent him to fetch it up. As he was making the retrieve some more birds started working so I switched focus to calling them in, they circled a few times but didn't commit so when they left I realized that Sage hadn't brought the goose back-after calling for him a few times he came out of the cattails across the channel with the goose. I didn't think much of it-he likes to watch working birds so I figured that was what he was doing in the cattails-he got back to the blind and I realized that what he was doing was evidently trying to eat this goose-the skin was gone from one side of the breast, and the meat was torn up so badly on that one side that is was pretty much unsalvageable. I was shocked to say the least, I've never seen him actually damage a bird that badly before.

We ended up hunting the rest of the day, and between my father in law and me we shot 8 ducks that he retrieved-of those 8, 4 of them were pretty badly mangled when we got them back. Again, he wasn't possessive, brought the birds back normally, but they would be crunched when they came back. I probably should have stopped him retrieving, but between flights of birds we would do holding practice in the blind with the undamaged birds he had brought back, which he would do normally, so I would send him to the next bird and it seemed to be 50/50 on what condition the bird would be when we got it back. He wasn't trying to eat the birds, just biting down on them way more that he usually would. I was really at a loss as to what was going on.

We have spent the last week revisiting Force Fetch holding drills with frozen and thawed ducks, and he's doing fine-never crunching birds, etc. I just am nervous to hunt him again, much less have him retrieve birds for anyone else. Anyone have any suggestions?
 
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My first Dog Josie would do pretty much everything you described here. I never figured it out, and she was partial to woodducks. On more than one occasion she would go across the channel or river and lay down and eat one.

Loved that dog...
 
Perhaps you should feed before hunting! LOL


A couple years ago, at the beginning of the season, Kodi would give an extra jaw squeeze before releasing... never hurt anything.. but...


either way, you dog is rebelling and acting out... for some reason.
 
That's something to consider Phil....actually now that I think about it I noticed when we got home that he was really favoring his front leg, and he had a pretty good limp for a day or two afterward.......maybe he hurt his foot and biting was a way for him to deal with the pain?
 
That's what I was thinking too. Sometimes (or ALL the time when dealing with a chessie) it might be helpful to revisit the recent past and see if there is something you did to piss him off. Did you fail to give him half your sandwich? Did you make him stay in the back of the truck instead of the cab? Did you bring another dog along? And worst of all - did you go hunting and leave him home - anytime in the past year?

When my son and family was living in central Kansas I would go down with my skiff and Otto to hunt Cheyenne Bottoms for a week. Well, one time I left him back at the house while I took my granddaughter with me - there just wasn't room in the skiff for the three of us. When we got back I breasted all the birds I had shot that week out on the back porch. Otto was out in the yard and was watching me but made to attempt to touch any birds I was working on. I had competed the task and had a big plastic bowl with the breasts of 12 ducks and a goose soaking in water. About that time I got a phone call and went inside for only a few minutes. When I got back out, there was a tiny bit of spilled water next to the bowl that now only had the breasts of 4 ducks in it. I don't know how he did it that fast but he had gulped down all the rest of the meat in less than 3 minutes. He wasn't hungry for 3 days though his farts were legendary AND I never left him home again.

He never tore birds up before that incident nor afterwards.
 
Cody,
Chessies are a unique breed and I have dealt with one of my own and one of a good friends that both liked to chomp birds and in the right circumstances eat them. Every situation and dog is different so I wont tell you what you should do because I don't know. I will tell you what I did.

Bella, My dog chewed the first bird she retrieved all the way back she chomped that blue wing. A few weeks later and lots of Ah Ah Ah... my way of expressing displeasure with my dogs current actions. She had stopped chomping birds on the way in. It was not to much of an issue over her early years but later in her career after lots and lots of birds and experience if she would start chomping a bird I would just give her a firm no and a nick with the collar. I would never nick a young dog but she knew what was expected of her and even if she dropped that bird and I had to go get it ( didn't happen) I figured the next one would not be chomped. I was right.

To this day she still leaves small marks on birds with her canines and I would never leave her unattended with a pile of birds. Put her in the back of the truck with a pile of birds and you would have a pile of feathers when you stopped at the next place. In fact I would not leave any Chessie unsupervised with birds its just asking for trouble. I have friends with labs that do it but the breeds are different and have different motivations for retrieving, Chessies are just reluctantly sharing their birds with us.

The second dog we dealt with was young, her first season and again teal were her undoing. She was not collar conditioned to here and had not picked up real birds ( that I can remember). She was a very steady young dog and well behaved just had not been color conditioned to the here command yet. We were in Canada and in her first few birds she picked up a teal and swam in circles chomping and attempting to eat that bird. I believe she was given one more chance and repeated.
The end result was she didn't get to hunt anymore and of course it was disappointing. Later in the year and the next season she was only allowed to pick up mallards which she never chomped on. After enough big birds and experience she was fine with smaller birds as well. Now that she is older if the issue ever returned I think a nick would be appropriate and remind her that its not allowed. She knows what is expected of her she has done it 100's or times correctly.

I kinda wonder if the goose that started your issue was extra damaged or bloody. Giving your dog a little more motivation to take a taste.

Pete, My young chessie who has no hard mouth problems or issues with chewing ate the breasts of a four man limit of ducks in ND this year. My cousin walked away to get a bowl of water to put them in. He jumped up on the tailgate and ate them in under 60 seconds flat. His farts were legendary as well.
 
Thanks for your advice guys! I can see something of a pattern here...I am thinking about introducing an e-collar to help if this situation comes back down the road. I haven't trained much with a collar before, so I think that it will be a long road to introduce it to a dog who is almost 8-maybe even just using the beep instead of a nick will be enough to help him out. Thanks again for your input, those are some pretty good stories you guys have!
 
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My story is not duck dog related and I'm not trying to hijack the thread...but thought I would pass this on. Years ago when we lived in South Dakota I came home with a mixed limit of birds after hunting on the Missouri. I had the ducks lying on the porch while I went inside to get something to eat. When I came back out to finish picking the birds I noticed I was missing a gadwall. I figured I must have dropped one while loading up the boat but was still pretty sure I had counted 5 ducks when I laid them on the porch. Anyway, about 1/2 hour later while I am picking birds in the back yard our cat came strolling up, sat down and started cleaning herself. The little shit had blood all over her face and I figured out that she must have dragged one of my ducks off and eaten it. I never did find the carcass. A dog would have looked guilty but the cat acted like it was just another day. I had to laugh about it. We liked that cat and she was always entertaining.
 
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My inlaws have a cat that in his younger days came home dragging a not-quite-dead drake mallard-still not sure how he managed to catch a live duck. Speaking of legendary farts-this summer my father in law left a bucket of catfish guts that he had forgotten about in the back of his truck, in the sun, for 2 days. After he discovered the source of the godawful smell outside his house he took them and buried them in our pasture. A few nights later I was talking to our neighbor through the fence and got hit with a wave of smell like a brick wall-my dog had discovered the buried gut pile, dug it up, and had choked about half of them down before I was able to stop him. It was really one of the worst smells that I had ever smelled-until later that night, when he began to fart out a smell that can't really be described, only experienced. He spent a few days outside after that.
 
Cody , I wish I could give you the magic formula but I can,t , what Brandon has posted I agree x2 ,I, have been training retrievers for the past 17 yrs. they are all individuals, unfortunately not training you dog with a e collar has put you in a tough situation , just my two cents.if you decide to go with the e collar now you would be well advised to work with someone who has a lot of experience training retrievers. Hope you can make it all work out for the best!
John
 
I Just recently lost my Lab of 13 years.In the last few seasons he would just for some reason be real tough on geese...He would bring them half way or most of the way back and proceed to mutilate them in plain sight knowing I couldnt reach him and watching me scream and lose my mind..these were dead geese mind you not cripples..only the e-collar would eventually stop him,,with ducks he was fine..never did figure it out...
 
Cody,
Without an e collar I don't know how I would proceed if I were you. Its not impossible to introduce one now but its certainly unusual to do this late in his life.

I think at this point I would take him hunting again and shoot a bird. Send him and watch him like a hawk as he brings it in. Give him a strong no if he starts to mouth it. If he stops great if he doesn't your going to need to bench him. until you have a solid plan in place to stop him.

Good luck!
 
As far as collars go.... I have a DT. I love it because it has a vibrate mode and that is enough to remind Kodi of the proper behavior 99% of the time.
 
Thanks again you guys, I'm seriously considering introducing an e-collar with beep and vibrate just to try to reinforce commands at a distance. We have had one bad experience with a collar a few years ago. He was doing great overall but had a bad habit of creeping behind me if we were jump shooting-he would maintain a steady 20 yards behind me after I told him to sit in one spot. I tried one out for a few weeks, did the normal collar conditioning, and he seemed to be fine with it-until the first time in the field that I actually nicked him, on the same setting that I had trained with him in the yard, he totally shut down came to heel at my side shaking and huddled against my leg, and refused to budge until I took the collar off. After that he would freak out and get really uneasy whenever he saw the collar in my hand. Maybe he wasn't really conditioned, but at that point I thought that the cure was worse than the problem and sold the collar. Eventually we got over the creeping problem by revisiting what it really means to SIT-it took a ton of repetition but we got through it.
 
Fifty years or so ago, an old timer told that he would train hard mouthed retrievers by wrapping a couple of turns of barbed wire around a dead duck. If the dog really loved to retrieve, this would not stifle his retrieving desire, just make him a lot more soft mouthed. Rich
 
Cody you have your hands full,Brandon pretty much summed it up , your dog being 8 yrs. old.If I lived near you I would be glad to try & help , cannot do this over the internet,sorry. As I mentioned before you truly need some Professional help to guide you ,
All the Best, John
 
My last Chessie was extremely soft mouthed with any bird and would deliver to hand. Later on in life if she got a hold of the birds later on she would pull feathers or mangle them up some. I think it really is an obedience issue as we tend to let the older dogs slide a bit as they get older. I don't think the E-collar is a good solution for this problem. If anything I would go back to force fetch or if you haven't ever done it look into it. Probably best to wait to after the season if you never did it before. I would be most concerned about it getting worse so I would try to minimize his opportunities to get at the birds as much as possible.
 
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