Buy or build

Looking ahead for next duck season I am trying to decide whether to build or by a boat, I am downsizing my rig. Looking to go into the 14 to 15 range. Options are to try to find a tdb 14 or similar or build a devlin boat not sure what model yet. I hunt marsh areas to open waters of Lake Michigan. Just asking for some pros and cons of each. The current boat I have now is a lowe roughneck 17 with a blind the boat is a tank on the water just happens I hunt mostly by myself now and just to big for me boat is going up for sale soon
 
Essentially, we hunt waterfowl in similar fashion, I am just doing it at higher latituds from you. I would look for a boat to buy rather than build. A TDB 14' will float fully loaded in VERY shallow water and they are quite stable to shoot and set/retrieve from. I read recently that Tony is going to be producing the 14' classic again. Hopefully, he does include the kevlar bow layer in these boats, not for abrasion resistance advantages but for protection from perforation during blunt object collision and ice breaking.







From a limitations perspective, the 15hp rating is valid if you want to run at subplaning speeds with a fully loaded boat. I would put a four blade high thrust prop on a 20-25hp four stroke if you want to run at plaining speeds. You should feather the throttle back to barely hold the boat on plane to turn or it will slide on you (no keel or keelsons on hull).
 
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Looking ahead for next duck season I am trying to decide whether to build or by a boat, I am downsizing my rig. Looking to go into the 14 to 15 range. Options are to try to find a tdb 14 or similar or build a devlin boat not sure what model yet. I hunt marsh areas to open waters of Lake Michigan. Just asking for some pros and cons of each. The current boat I have now is a lowe roughneck 17 with a blind the boat is a tank on the water just happens I hunt mostly by myself now and just to big for me boat is going up for sale soon


I would say only build a boat if you think it would be fun or want something that is different or nicer (and are willing to put the time in) than what is available. They are not cheap to build and take a lot of time to built.

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I think it would be fun to do, with summers off as a teacher I have the time just need to do a little more looking into it


Oh, it is fun! and you can produce a real quality product set up just as you like.
 
Yes we intend to build the 14 classic again, And it will have strakes on the hull to help prevent some of the slide. Should be starting on it in the near future actually.

I doubt we will be putting kevlar into the bow simply because the cost of doing so in my opinion isnt worth the end result.
 
Kim, here is a photo of the stern light mount. As I said, Perko now makes a flush mount stern light receptacle that would work better.



Close-ups of the wire loom layout, compass bracket, battery support box, and fuse block/ toggle switch, etc. are under the thread titled: Best Duck Boat add-ons you made.
 
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Thanks, John! It has been a good hull over the years... Now, a 17' classic would be a better fit for my hunting style.
 
Thanks, John! It has been a good hull over the years... Now, a 17' classic would be a better fit for my hunting style.

I got one of them havent even seen it though. be here next week. even has the super rare fiberglass fishing platform with it.
 
Kim, here is a photo of the stern light mount. As I said, Perko now makes a flush mount stern light receptacle that would work better.



Close-ups of the wire loom layout, compass bracket, battery support box, and fuse block/ toggle switch, etc. are under the thread titled: Best Duck Boat add-ons you made.

That helps. Is it in your way when steering? Also I guess you can't use the l0cking cover. I may have a flush m0unt.
 
Had I been interested in it, I would have made the original owner a purchase offer when we discussed the boat several months ago. It was invloved in an accident while being trailered (repairs were slight, discussied in one of the original TDB newsletters), so the paint over gel-coat made me a nervous, particulalry when the owner failed to mention the accident when I asked about repairs to the hull, plus I don't have an interest in the TDB-17' Classics with the splashwell cut-outs adjacent the transom with wood grassing rails, particularly with the Yamaha 60hp hanging off it(no knock on the motor, just the pairing of hull and motor).
 
Had I been interested in it, I would have made the original owner a purchase offer when we discussed the boat several months ago. It was invloved in an accident while being trailered (repairs were slight, discussied in one of the original TDB newsletters), so the paint over gel-coat made me a nervous, particulalry when the owner failed to mention the accident when I asked about repairs to the hull, plus I don't have an interest in the TDB-17' Classics with the splashwell cut-outs adjacent the transom with wood grassing rails, particularly with the Yamaha 60hp hanging off it(no knock on the motor, just the pairing of hull and motor).

Not that boat. Mine is 100 percent original with a 40 johnson. I know hard to believe as not many fish platforms were made but I found another onr.
 
Kim, as I mentioned in my response to your original PM, I made a cut-out in the hard cover in that corner, covering the hole with a fiberglass lay-up with a raised rectangular dome to accomodate the stern light receptacle's height. Christian was kind enough to send me a quart of orginal hull color gel coat, so other than the 3M 5200 seal line, it is a match for the hard cover. I tucked the wiring and wire loom under the lip of the stern cockpit coaming, bedding it in a bead of Marine RTV.

I sited the stern light receptacle there so the light pole would be flush against my left side at its base while I was sitting on the cockpit coaming at the helm station as well as not sitting exposed to the elements when the boat is sitting outside. I used the long stern light wand length to get the light up above my head (I am a little over 6'-3"), as well as getting it above the erected blind, so the stern light is visible while running with the blind up. I did get the original cap/cover for the light receptacle caught on a fold in my waders, ripping it off sometime over the first year. That's why I jury-rigged the plug that is pictured. The lanyard is tied-off to the pre-drilled hole in the starboard interior shelf via a length of braided nylon decoy cord for retrieval. If you use the flush-mount receptacle (either Hamilton Marine or Defender Marine has this available). You have the option of going with an LED stern light when you rig your boat, which has a significantly lower amperage draw rate than mine.

I have the rain roof option on my boat, so all I need do to affix the removed blind bow panel while running is to unclip it, slid it around to the left, and re-clip it to hang on the outside of the erected blind to run with the bow open when it is not too rough.

If I had a do-over, I would mount the toggle switch panel on the bottom of the starboard interior shelf below my right thigh when I am at the helm. With it mounted in this configuration, I would need only reach down with my free right hand to operate it while underway. In its current location I have to reach across to hit a switch, breaking eye contact with the horizon, in most instances this doesn't create an issue, but I though I would mention it since you are in the process of laying out your hull's interior wiring set-up. One spot I hunt is very near a commercial fishing operation, so occasionally I have to dodge poorly lighted fish tugs and trapnet boats that are running out at the same time I am leaving to go set-up. They are a good group of folks, but they run at planing speed in full darkness in a very narrow section of channel that we share. I also have to contend with "salty" and ore carrier traffic on the St. Marys. Down bound ore boats (750-1,200') draw about two feet less than the project depth of the ship channel, so they "push" about an, on-average, four foot displacement wave that radiates off their bows, moving parallel on ship passage, and then back out to the shipping channel. If you are running in an adjacent shoal water area, you can suddenly be contending with a breaking wave that literally appears out of nowhere. These ship traffic related displacement episodes "free" off-channel deadheads on a relatively routine basis.
 
Congratulations, Tony! Rip Poole had one on his boat, nice addition for use as a casting platform or bow-fishing platform. Garvey had on on his TDB 17', too. Don't know who bought that boat. I had to deal with a cancer diagnosis when that boat was posted on this forum for sale...don't know who purchased it. I dropped off this site for several years. I haven't corresponded with its original owner since I sent him my retriever training progression outline. Tempus fugit!! Vergil was likely right...

What I am looking for is a 1994 or newer (nylon grassing rails), rain roof, decoy curtains, and an auxillary motor mount in 17'classic with a hard cover. There is one with Honda power on it that is a near-ideal boat, but it would require selling my TDB-14' to acquire it. Still trying to accept and embrace that course... assuming the current owner is willing to still sell.

There was a TDB 17' classic that was hunted on Lake St. Clair that had a custom trailer with a cradle on it that allowed transport of the TDB with a Bankes Hercules...launch the TDB, move it down the wall or pier and then "drop" the hinged frame to launch the layout boat-ideal set up from my perspective. You should explore modifying the hard cover mold to accomodate your layout boats.... very "sweet" set-up!

With the Lake Michigan Chinook salmon fishery tetering on the verge of collapse, it would be rationale for me to sell my BW Conquest 235 prior the glut of Great Lakes boats that will go up for sale.
 
Congratulations, Tony! Rip Poole had one on his boat, nice addition for use as a casting platform or bow-fishing platform. Garvey had on on his TDB 17', too. Don't know who bought that boat. I had to deal with a cancer diagnosis when that boat was posted on this forum for sale...don't know who purchased it. I dropped off this site for several years. I haven't corresponded with its original owner since I sent him my retriever training progression outline. Tempus fugit!! Vergil was likely right...

What I am looking for is a 1994 or newer (nylon grassing rails), rain roof, decoy curtains, and an auxillary motor mount in 17'classic with a hard cover. There is one with Honda power on it that is a near-ideal boat, but it would require selling my TDB-14' to acquire it. Still trying to accept and embrace that course... assuming the current owner is willing to still sell.

There was a TDB 17' classic that was hunted on Lake St. Clair that had a custom trailer with a cradle on it that allowed transport of the TDB with a Bankes Hercules...launch the TDB, move it down the wall or pier and then "drop" the hinged frame to launch the layout boat-ideal set up from my perspective. You should explore modifying the hard cover mold to accomodate your layout boats.... very "sweet" set-up!

With the Lake Michigan Chinook salmon fishery tetering on the verge of collapse, it would be rationale for me to sell my BW Conquest 235 prior the glut of Great Lakes boats that will go up for sale.


The boat is from MD and was purchased from the son of the original owner, Boat is 100% original. has everything on it that was available. locking cover, aux. mount, blind with roof, fishing platform etc. grass rails are gone will be replaced with nylon. Motor is yet to be known. been sitting in storage for the past 10 years so who knows. This boat will be for sale I believe once it is at the shop and we can give it a throrough inspection and price it as is or after a rehab.
 
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