Depressing news for ducks.
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There's a BIG difference between environmentalists and conservasionists. One group naive, rash, and nonsensical and the other practical and measured. Guess which shoe fits? If environmentalists would quit blocking new drilling from practically everywhere there's oil, and opposing new refinery construction, then maybe Canadians wouldn't find it profitable to try to suck oil from sand. Just a thought....regulate the things that make sense for our way of life in a way that makes sense for the animals as well, and then maybe we don't see this stuff (that makes no sense at all) happening to 500 ducks....or more. Environmental activism causes more problems than it ever solves, IMO...and conservation movements generally help the animals AND the people involved.
Very well said Bill. Want to get angry over the energy non-crisis? Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
Wispete
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I changed my mind. I am Flip Flopper. After sleeping on it last night I realized a fine wouldn't do any good. After all the manager or who ever is in charge is an Eco terrorist and should be dealt with accordingly. I am like Bush, a terrorist is a terrorist. Water board em and make eat the ducks.
It's not a matter if it's a oil company or a mine or a chemical co or paper mill or a city.
We are all accountable for our actions.
Hard Nosed Pete
It's not a matter if it's a oil company or a mine or a chemical co or paper mill or a city.
We are all accountable for our actions.
Hard Nosed Pete
Dave Sikorski
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I read the article three time thank you very much.
The stupid ducks comment was tongue in cheek, maybe I should have included a wink smiley. I find the word "depressing" to be a little much for this situation.
The facility messed up plain and simple, but 987K is an absurd fine and it levied I can almost guarantee it will be wasted.
I'll support conservation all day long, but not without realizing that we cannot remain stagnant in life and certain things we do affect the environment. Evidently I need to put a friggin disclaimer on everything I say though to qualify my statements so.....Yes, we SHOULD limit how we effect the environment every step of the way, but when something goes wrong, a fine to our government is hardly the answer. I'm sick of the assumption that this company didn't have their noise makers out b/c they're BIG OIL and they don't care cause they're rich( or at least something along those lines).
Wonder when Captain Planet is going to make his return to TV. Seems like he'd be pretty damn popular.
There's a difference between the sky is falling mentality( ie. GREEN WEENIES) and good old fashion hard work and progress. DU, Delta....etc.
I'm willing to give businesses the benefit of the doubt. There is a fine line between conservation and over regulation, and unfortunately over regulation seems to win in this world of trust the government, they'll do what's best.
Will this company get the same press when they do something good for the surrounding environment? I'm not going to hold my breath.
-D
The stupid ducks comment was tongue in cheek, maybe I should have included a wink smiley. I find the word "depressing" to be a little much for this situation.
The facility messed up plain and simple, but 987K is an absurd fine and it levied I can almost guarantee it will be wasted.
I'll support conservation all day long, but not without realizing that we cannot remain stagnant in life and certain things we do affect the environment. Evidently I need to put a friggin disclaimer on everything I say though to qualify my statements so.....Yes, we SHOULD limit how we effect the environment every step of the way, but when something goes wrong, a fine to our government is hardly the answer. I'm sick of the assumption that this company didn't have their noise makers out b/c they're BIG OIL and they don't care cause they're rich( or at least something along those lines).
Wonder when Captain Planet is going to make his return to TV. Seems like he'd be pretty damn popular.
There's a difference between the sky is falling mentality( ie. GREEN WEENIES) and good old fashion hard work and progress. DU, Delta....etc.
I'm willing to give businesses the benefit of the doubt. There is a fine line between conservation and over regulation, and unfortunately over regulation seems to win in this world of trust the government, they'll do what's best.
Will this company get the same press when they do something good for the surrounding environment? I'm not going to hold my breath.
-D
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Mark W
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Being a duck hunter, a lifelong duck habitat supporter, and my work responsibity being new programs in the Mining industry (which oil sands is considered a part of), I think I need to convince the boss that we need to look into this issue say starting around mid September or so.
It's all for the ducks.
And by the way, this is a BIG problem for mining companies around the world. Not just ducks, and not just oils sands, but other wildlife and other mined products (with copper and gold leading the way). These leach ponds/tailing waste areas are enormous as you could see in Jay's picture. Most mining companies do not want the bad press that comes from killing wildlife as it places more scrutiny on them and their processes. I have heard this issue first person from some of the largest mining companies in the world - BHP Biliton, CVRD Inco, Newmont, and so on. It is an issue, and it is one that reputable companies do try to solve.
Mark W
It's all for the ducks.
And by the way, this is a BIG problem for mining companies around the world. Not just ducks, and not just oils sands, but other wildlife and other mined products (with copper and gold leading the way). These leach ponds/tailing waste areas are enormous as you could see in Jay's picture. Most mining companies do not want the bad press that comes from killing wildlife as it places more scrutiny on them and their processes. I have heard this issue first person from some of the largest mining companies in the world - BHP Biliton, CVRD Inco, Newmont, and so on. It is an issue, and it is one that reputable companies do try to solve.
Mark W
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Mark W
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This is not a project I am working on, I have just been a part of many discussion when it is talked about. Without giving anything confidential away, one of the companies is trying to make the water not look like water. Can't tell you how they are doing it but it is interesting.
I found this comment funny and almost blew Mountain Dew out my nostrils as all I could think of when I heard the "not make water look like water" is how we as duck hunters try to make a field not look like a field but make it look like water by using black visqueen or other plastic. Instantly the picture of the guy standing in the middle of the field with his "plastic pond" filled my head and I heard little else for a couple of minutes. Had to be there I guess.
Sorry I can't answer your question.
Mark W
I found this comment funny and almost blew Mountain Dew out my nostrils as all I could think of when I heard the "not make water look like water" is how we as duck hunters try to make a field not look like a field but make it look like water by using black visqueen or other plastic. Instantly the picture of the guy standing in the middle of the field with his "plastic pond" filled my head and I heard little else for a couple of minutes. Had to be there I guess.
Sorry I can't answer your question.
Mark W
Thank you for the reply.
To the nice poster who doesn't like the word "depressed" I actually do get "depressed" when I hear about 500 of anything die needlessly. Except ticks.
I have an idea... why don't they filter it (like a municipal sewage system) and get the shizz out of there... at $5/gallon of petrol related material - any processed material recovery pays nowadays. The decision NOT to was made when gas was $1.00/gal.
To the nice poster who doesn't like the word "depressed" I actually do get "depressed" when I hear about 500 of anything die needlessly. Except ticks.
I have an idea... why don't they filter it (like a municipal sewage system) and get the shizz out of there... at $5/gallon of petrol related material - any processed material recovery pays nowadays. The decision NOT to was made when gas was $1.00/gal.
Lee Harker
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Andrew, it probably isn't oil in there but the toxic crud strained off that seperates the tar from the sand.....probably much worse than oil. I have a sneaky suspicion that if they scraped the bottom they would find thousands of birds and animals that have been trapped in it. Probably like the La Brea tar pits (sp?)