Disecting "First-come-first-serve"

Eric Patterson

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Duck hunters have built blinds for many years on our local TVA lake. Some floored structures in open water others simply piled brush on the bank. TVA allows these structures as long as they are not a navigation hazard. There are no regulations about useage and probably never will be.

When I started duck hunting, over 30 years ago, the widely accepted policy was the builder of a blind hunted it opening day and then for the rest of the season it was first-come-first-serve. This seemed to work well until about a dozen years ago when hunter numbers on the lake increased including non-resident hunters not familiar with the unwritten rule. A new attitude emerged, that being any blind is fair game on opening day and the builder has to be there first or he will have to hunt somewhere else. As you can imagine this has caused unpleasant situations in the dark on opening days.

For example, a friend built and maintained a very productive blind for many years. On one particular opening morning he had his 78 year old father along and when they arrived at the blind another party was in it and refused to move. Words were exchanged and my friend ended up having to hunt elsewhere and was not able to put his elderly father in a warm comfortable blind. That blind was later burned, rebuilt and burned again. That friend no longer hunts the lake. He threw in the towel on lake hunting given his efforts were burned down. Others have given up too.

I have always been a proponent of the "He who builds it hunts it on the opener." as many of the blinds are located on openwater flats and the ducks are accustomed to seeing them and come into gunning range. Plus they offer convenience that boat blinds cannot. It seems fair to let the builder have it on the opener and everyone else have access the rest of the season.

Since detioriation of the "He who builds it hunts it..." I continue to hear "First-come-first-serve" proclaimed as the new law of the land. A law many believe is written or just as strong. Let's take a closer look at that.

In Alabama there is no law that says public hunting land is first-come-first-serve. Nor is there any law that dictates a distance between parties. In fact I've been told by game wardens (in Arkansas) that you can lean against the very same tree as another hunter in public flooded timber and you don't need to be in their party. They have no legal right to ask you to leave, even if they were there first. Public doesn't mean "until I leave", it means "for all".

Consider this analogy. You are sitting on a park bench and someone else comes and sits next to you. Can you tell them you were there first and to find another bench? To do so would be absurd and lacking authority or legal backing.

I'll admit it would be both unusual and uncomfortable to try and hunt the same location as another party, but the point is "First-come-first-serve" doesn't trump "He who builds it hunts it..." for both of these are conventions present in the minds of waterfowlers and when it gets down to brass tacks anyone can hunt where they choose.

With that said imagine the following scenario. You go to a blind you built for opening day and someone else is in it and they demand you leave because they were there first. You ignore their request and climb in with them or tie up to it along with the first party. Everyone knows they'd be crying "Leave, we were here first and we're calling the game warden!" I'd like to hear what a game warden would do because there isn't a law being broken. Just two parties who disagree on what is right. I know what I'd do if it was a blind I built. I'd hold my ground.

Eric
 
Interesting topic for discussion Eric. This was becoming an issue at Long Point Bay on Lake Erie when I hunted there. They had the same unwritten rule about the opener and the same lack of consideration for tradition. Also the same lack of requirement reguarding distance between hunters. In the end it made for a number of confrontations. Many years ago I stopped hunting the opener there because I just didn't want or need to get involved in the inevitable quarrel.

I have been following the annual discussion on the local discussion board and the debate continues. You are correct that the CO won't get involved so long as there is no accusation of unsafe hunting or gun handling. No laws are broken. Both sides are well entrenched and no resolution is evident.

There is contained within this issue a much bigger discussion about respect for tradition and how it meshes with a loss of public hunting grounds and new hunters. Unfortunately hunting clubs and controlled areas are becoming the solution.
 
I have been scratching my head about how to build a blind that I could lock up so that no one else could use it.

It will not happen this year but my plan is to have a floor that lifts and locks up, and removable floor stops (rebar). That way if they try to use the blind they will not have a floor to stand on, and considering where I want this they will be in 3 to 5 feet of water. and well below the shooting window. If they decide to break the lock they still will not have a floor as there will be nothing to hold it up. They would need to both break the lock and have half a dozen peices of rebar to use the blind.
 
That is a good question. Without any laws being broken I would think the game warden would ask the occupants who did not build the blind to be reasonable and move along. However, if it is accepted that the area is "first come first serve" that will present a problem and the builder may find themselves being asked to move along. Have you tried contacting the local game warden to ask them directly what they would do? I have found most ECO's to be reasonable and provide good information and judgment, while it's not always the case it's worth the investment in a phone call.

In our township you can build a blind as long as it is not a hazard to navigation and it is removed by spring. However, you must put your name and contact info on the blind so it is clear who the owner is. Over the years I have had some of my blinds moved, trashed and occupied by others that have decided to make changes to my blinds. I had one where they moved one blind and butted it up against another that I built. I left a nice friendly note asking them to please leave thing as they found it if they plan to use the blind. Then I came back and find garbage, shell casings and toilet paper thrown around the blind. After a good cleaning I left another note asking to carry in and carry out, then they carved "FU" on the inside of the blind. I suspected it was the same group. That's when I put some carpet tackles under the vinyl covered 2x10 bench seat. Never had another problem. There is always more than one way to skin a cat....and sometime you just need to be a pain in the arse, literally.
 
Unfortunately it is a lose lose situation. I say if you built it you have priority but if there are no laws or regulations stating this, it doesn't really matter.

I have witnessed over the years a total lack of respect for some of the old unwritten rules. Distances between set ups is completely random and no respect for someone who has set up where the 2nd party wants to hunt. Never turns out good for either party. I ued to argue and scream and holler and then I realized everyone involved has guns. I then used to just leave and go somewhere else. I now hsandle differntly. I bring a fishing pole and a loud enough bluetooth speaker. Someone comes late and set up within an unreasonable distance of say 25 - 40 yards (happens all the time) and if a nice casual conversation gets the very typical FU response, out comes the fishing poles AND speaker. When the "we're calling the game warden" typcial chant is yelled, I calmly mention that I've already done so and he is on his way (making sure to use the officers first and last name). Conversation is usually then why did I call and the answer is always that they came late, set up too close and that this presented an unsafe hunting situation. Unsafe hunting situations trumps all around here.

Helps to have a camera and laser range finder along as well.

Just gotten tired of being walked upon.

Mark W
 
My personal rules:

#1 Don't hunt anyplace heavily pressured on the opener. Leave it to the folks who don't mind the hassles. I'll check out a spot where I have access from the landowner, or an out of the way wood duck hole that requires a decent walk.
#2 After the opener, any blinds on solid land (posted or not) belong to the landowner or their guests, and I leave them alone. Any blinds staked in the water or the intertidal zone, which are public land in Maine, are first come first served. But if I am in someone else's blind and the person who built or maintained it shows up, I'll leave. And if somebody other than the owner shows up and there's room for them, I'd invite them to hunt with me.

To date, I've never been in a blind and had someone else show up, which speaks to the relatively low pressure here.

Merrymeeting Bay, probably the most heavily hunted spot in Maine, has had, by law, a "no permanent blinds" and "no decoys left overnight" rule for decades. It makes a huge difference. Without that, we'd have a zoo there.
 
Most of the wildlife Management areas in NJ, prohibit leaving a permanent blind up in the meadows. I guess this solves the problem.For me,duck blinds are like tree stands,I will not hunt it unless I know it has been abandoned.
 
I have been scratching my head about how to build a blind that I could lock up so that no one else could use it...


David, I have a friend that was brainstorming something similar. His idea was to make torsion box floors that dropped into the bottom of the blind. He'd stack them in his boat and put them into place once he got to his blind. When done hunting he'd carry them out. I imagine you could make a very lightweight strong floor with a torsion box of foam/plywood.
 
I'm just glad I live in South Dakota. I've never seen a blind on any of the places I go. If you are there first you hunt where you want. The next guy goes a respectable distance away. The third guy... well I normally don't see a third guy. :)
Where I have been in Minnesota it is about the same. First come first serve, and unlike fisherman up there the hunters seem to give plenty of room.

Tim
 
Ok, how about another approach

I have a spot that is not very large and opening day it has been ridiculous. 13 people spread out over 100 yards across and 200 yards long. I gave up opening day there.

But here is the question. I was on the water by 4:15 waiting for my friends to show up. We setup and about 20 minutes prior to legal two guys that supposedly built the blind 20 yards from us come trolling in and think that they are going to block everyone because "I have a blind there". I shot my Wood duck and immediately left to do something more productive - work.

It seems that the guys that have the blinds think that they can show up whenever they want and push everyone else out Because they have a blind. Most around here feel "first come - first served"
 
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We have very few blinds here (actual wood/roof/ect) they are always used by "early season hardcore duckhunters" haha. We also have first come first serve. This is very nice because to be able to successfully harvest 1 bird (usually a black, aka a new england limit) you must scout were the birds are the day before.

I have zero use for a blind and hate dealing with other people 10 minutes to shooting.

If i saw a blind on a lake where technicaly sometimes the bottom can be owned, i would not hunt it in any circumstances.

If some one tried to build a blind on the river (tidal)below high tide (public property) and put a no trespass or some fancy "you cant hunt here contraption" it should be burned down. (ct has a no permanet blind rule and that is a personal feeling). If it is free to use for everyone(the few blinds we have) then it can stay

If unwritten rule is no longer being followed make a plaque and put it up at the launch this will at least notify some people especialy younger people who have no mentor to hand down the unwritten rule.

First come first serve and "fish and fowl" are ct's only saving grace that and there are very few duck hunters
 
Possibly a large padlock and hasp might solve the problem. Build kinda like a box with a lid that locks, then opens inward after lock is removed--Might make things interesting for the lazy interlopers.
 
I have a friend who has made a moose camp near town here on Crown Land that is really handy to his house. Its an old shack really, but he does the removable floor trick to keep folks from using it when he's not there. The floor boards are stashed in the bush out of sight. People could still use it, but they'd be sleeping on a layer of mouse poop. I think the rebar idea might work.

Mike
 
I gave up on any type of permanent constructed blind, even on private land many years ago. Way to many hassles on every level, more than one has been burned down and a lock will not prevent that.
So I went the marsh boat and sneakbox route, or used natural vegetation, land contour, driftwood, Etc. to construct on site (where legal). A Machete is one a waterfowlers best tools.
 
I always appreciated the no permanent blinds on the NWR's I used to hunt. You couldn't lay claim to any public ground. It was purely a first come first serve hunt. After seeing the blinds on public land while hunting in some areas, I feel permanent blinds should be outlawed on all public lands.
 
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Eric, there is a guy on the Refuge who has some permanent blinds out in the water on Lake Gaston (VA/NC border). People think they are public but the lake bottom is licensed/permitted, etc. Anyway, he once told me he has some removable pin system that, when taken out, makes the floor of the blind unusable.

It's been a few years, but I think he posts under the name "bearhunter" on that site. He may be able to save you some R&D time.

Ed
 
Anyone who would hunt from someone else's blind on opening day having not built the blind is a poor excuse for a sportsman. Worse yet to turn away an old man... If that happened to me, there would be more than words. I have had issues with people hunting in blinds I made, but never on an opener. I don't make stationary blinds anymore. They are too big a pain and I don't like arguing with idiots. I do all I can to avoid idiots these days. That includes finding places to hunt where I won't have to deal with...idiots. It makes my hunts more enjoyable even if the bag suffers.
 
Here in Missouri there are areas where there are regulations on blinds and they even have a blind drawing each year so the drawing winners will go out to the area and build blinds that will have their information on it. The hunting rules are that it is up for grabs to hunt by anyone if the original builders/drawing winner are not at the blind 30 mins prior to legal shooting time. Maybe a regulation like that might work for the TVA lakes.
 
In Oklahoma many of the state run lakes have blind drawings. If you get your name drawn you get the pick of the area that's not already been drawn. You have priority to the blind up until 7:30 AM and then after that it's fair game on a first come-first serve basis. Blinds have to be at least 250yds apart which I think is a state law for any place in Oklahoma. But I know what a pain in the rear it can be when dealing with public access. You sure can't count on gentlemens etiquette. It never ceases to amaze me at the rudeness and total lack of consideration people exhibit these days. I guarantee you that in Oklahoma if you depended on people to do the "right thing" you will probably be dissappointed more times than not.
 
What we have here is a lack of civility and sportsmanship. Which has always been the characteristics of a certain few, but now seems more and more prevalent.
Regardless of this is/was a local tradition, social norms would seem to me to indicate that if I pull up to a spot on opening day and someone else has taken the time to pre-build their blind there, I go to my back-up spot.

That said, the "gentleman's agreement" of you don't hunt someone else's' opening day blind is alive and well on Mobile Bay & the bays of the lower Mobile-Tensaw Delta. The local outdoors writers make sure to put the details of this "gentleman's agreement" into articles leading up to opening day every year. And USUALLY, it is very well respected. Sure we have a couple of "incidents" opening day, but they are few in number. The main issue we have is people setting up too close to each other. Not unusual to have blinds every hundred yards in the best locations on opening day.

After opening day, its first come, first serve. Permanent blinds are not allowed, as there is no legal means of obtaining a permit for one in Alabama on state owned submerged lands unless it is right adjacent to your upland property. And even then, its questionable as to whether you would get a permit. And you could still not prohibit someone else from occupying it or setting up in front of your property on state-owned submerged lands, unless they are within a safety zone. We simply don't have the crazy blind rules or hunting restriction other states have.

So, back to the question: You get to your opening day blind and someone else is in it?
I would remind them of the "gentleman's agreement" and politely ask them to leave. If they flat our refused, I would go else where.
Its not worth the fight. I know enough spots that I can go find somewhere else to enjoy the sunrise without confronting assholes.
 
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