Ducks Unlimited - steady retriever ideas

You just seem to have a way with people Tod. Yeah, it is probably everyone just ganging up on you.....
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You know Brian, I just was telling someone that the surest way to get to to appear on the forum was for me to post in a dog thread. I didn't need to even post on topic or say anything about dogs, just a random post and you appeared as predicted, thanks for proving my point - I should have put money on it.
 
Get back on the meds Tod.. I just find it sad that you cannot seem to get along with anyone, and have to start controversy and/or arguements on the most vanilla topic. In the past you have even posted about how a car salesman and dry cleaners were jerks to you. Ever think it is you and not the rest of the world????? I have never understood this mentality of someone who gets a kick out of constantly getting a rise out of others & then whining about how others treat him. This is a great informative website, quit ruining it for others....
 
Get back on the meds Tod.. I just find it sad that you cannot seem to get along with anyone, and have to start controversy and/or arguements on the most vanilla topic. In the past you have even posted about how a car salesman and dry cleaners were jerks to you. Ever think it is you and not the rest of the world????? I have never understood this mentality of someone who gets a kick out of constantly getting a rise out of others & then whining about how others treat him. This is a great informative website, quit ruining it for others....
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So what you are saying is that you don't seen the humor in you appearing from under the bridge, just as predicted?
 
Get back on the meds Tod.. I just find it sad that you cannot seem to get along with anyone, and have to start controversy and/or arguements on the most vanilla topic. In the past you have even posted about how a car salesman and dry cleaners were jerks to you. Ever think it is you and not the rest of the world????? I have never understood this mentality of someone who gets a kick out of constantly getting a rise out of others & then whining about how others treat him. This is a great informative website, quit ruining it for others....
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Tod gets along fine with me, I appreciate his sense of humor and, to the best of my knowledge, he appreciates mine. From the tone of things, I don't think Tod is the one doing the whining here, and in the instances where his posts could be construed as whining, I see the tongue in cheek humor in his comments. Tod's been a regular posting around here since before I found this place, and it is what it is because of guys like him that aren't afraid to tell it the way they see it, share their experience, and interject humor wherever THEY see appropriate.

Best
Chuck

 
"The symptoms of Narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. Yet, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth."

Stay on the meds....
 
"The symptoms of Narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. Yet, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth."

Stay on the meds....
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I was thinking that maybe you learned that stuff at Dogtra Pro Staff school or were smart or something, but I see you cut and pasted it without citation (but good use of quotes) from Wikipedia.

Is there an appropriate med that Wikipedia prescribes? I didn't read any further than the blurb you cut out.

T
 
Hi Brian,

I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't know Tod other than by the information and comments he posts here on the site, neither of which I find offensive, more the opposite. I enjoy this site a lot, and thought this was a thread about dogs, not Tod.


By the way Dick, nice thread as I'm due to a get puppy in April and this certainly gives me a lot to think about and read.

Troy.
 
I have closely reread all these this thread. Like Troy, I have no dog in this hunt, but what did Tod say that was so aggravating to anyone? He was just playing with Dick and Robert. Little jabs back and forth. What is wrong with that. Come on people, have some fun! Trip.
 
I have closely reread all these this thread. Like Troy, I have no dog in this hunt, but what did Tod say that was so aggravating to anyone? He was just playing with Dick and Robert. Little jabs back and forth. What is wrong with that. Come on people, have some fun! Trip.
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Thanks Trip and Troy, maybe now that I've got a diagnosis I can get appropriate treatment. Then again, Brian has offered his professional diagnosis to me a couple times before and never came through on the meds - bummer.
 
"The symptoms of Narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. Yet, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth."

Stay on the meds....
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So Brian, has society come to the point where they deem it necessary to medicate all those with some amount self confidence in a vain effort to keep the limp wristed, thin skinned weeners of the world from realizing what kind of weeners they are?
 
You guys gotta be kidding me. The original poster made a nice attempt to give some people advice on training and here comes mr. helpful with a smart azz jab towards that style of training. I don't subscribe to some of the methods used by Milner, but why does mr. helpful only find it necessary to knock down any advice given that goes contrary to his view of the world. Give me a break.... This type of dillusional behavior is exactly why certain people that really know what they are doing in their given fields quit answering posters questions. Because of people like mr. helpful....
 
This concept of nothing but obedience training for the first twelve months flys in direct opposition to what I think is the most important aspect of training - balance.

For me the "balanced package" means five factors are in concert from the time a dog reaches what I call the formal training stage (teething is over, mentally mature for his age and physically in shape). This is approximately around 6 months old (or little more). After that training evolves around balancing "the factors" - retrieving, "birdiness", control, focus and responsiveness.

The idea that one is emphasized over any other for any extended period is contrary to maintaining balance (for the way I train my pups).
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Our training philosophies are closer than you realize, Jim. The only difference is temporal -- you begin a balanced approach at 6 months while I don't mind waiting until 12 months. As I see it, waiting an extra few months doesn't jeopardize anything. After all, how do you achieve "control, focus, and responsiveness?" With obedience training, of course.

Kevin B also makes a good point about balance. I think it's sound advice to train for a pup's weakness(es) while tempering her strengths. For example, my current pup is a firebrand. Steadiness and calmness ARE her weaknesses. So, before our evening training sessions I make her sit on her "place" board while I split firewood, cut kindling, and load the mud room. She's not allowed to vocalize, fidget, eat grass, etc. After she's stayed in place for 20 - 30 minutes her reward is a quick, active training session. Obedience adds balance to her high-strung nature.

As to the novice trainers dilemma, I offer this -- books are cheap, the internet is free, and retriever clubs are probably close by. Experience and knowledge make the trainer. Take advantage of all available resources.

I'll end with a humorous fly-fishing quote that I think Tod will enjoy --

“Imagine the permit coming out of a deep-water wreck by the pull of moon and tide, riding the invisible crest of the incoming water, feeding and moving by force of blood, only to run afoul of an asshole from Connecticut.”

-- Thomas McGuane, Ninety-two in the Shade
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I have closely reread all these this thread. Like Troy, I have no dog in this hunt, but what did Tod say that was so aggravating to anyone? He was just playing with Dick and Robert. Little jabs back and forth. What is wrong with that. Come on people, have some fun! Trip.
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Tod it is clear from that Cheshire cat grin that you are a ball buster!! :)))
 
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