For those coming to ND this fall

BillS

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Be sure to talk with your local contacts on bird numbers in your area. Its been a terrible nesting season around me, cold wet spring with summer hail storms. I think its a number of factors but duck numbers just aren't good around here right now, pheasants are nearly non-existant, and even sharptails numbers are way down. on another note many roads in this area are finally getting fixed but still a lot around that are under water and I know thats the case in other areas as well. Good luck this fall.
 
Bill,
I'd heard that the pheasants took a beating up there last winter, had hoped maybe nesting season would bring a few back. It was tough in SD also but I think there will still be plenty in the traditional spots.

I know people think lots of water is always good for ducks but not as much as was falling this spring. I know some place in SD flooded nearly every week early on so I doubt many nests survived. We've been a little drier to the south since june so I imagine a lot of late hatch birds.

I've always believed that the year after a lot of water is better nesting then the wet year. I think in some areas that will be proven true.

Tim
 
Yeah, good nesting season would have been nice for the birds. I can honestly say I have seen more coveys of huns this summer than Phez, and we are not in a good hun area. I have personally seen one brood of pheasants this summer, I even released 10 adult birds this spring at our place and I can't find them with the dogs. 3 years ago we had 5 family groups alone there. But we lost all dry cattails edges, everything with catails last year is under water this year(problem with nesting divers this year i think). My neighbor saw a phez brood 2 weeks ago that where real young, so there were attempts at late nesting, but CRP was opened to haying, which wasn't good. They can't catch a break. but what is really suprising is the sharpie numbers are way down, they tend to be a much hardier bird. Last year opening day I hunted an alfafla field and put up 50 birds in the morning, this year 6, were really short on grasshoppers, which maybe another problem for the broods besides all the rain.
 
Migratory birds are well migratory. The ducks I hope to hunt here aren't here yet. They are still up north. Is this not the case in most of the country?
 
Grasshoppers sure do make for healthy chicks. They weren't very bad in my garden and no farmers complained so we must not have had many either.
I think we were down about 50% on pheasant brood counts this year. I heard a lot of roosters this spring but haven't seen many pheasants lately, a few but not like it was the last few years. Right now the way it looks it might not seem that bad when hunting, the crops should get out early as dry as we've been recently. The past few years a lot of corn was in when the snow flew.

Bad years here are still better then most other places so I wouldn't tell anyone to stay home but like you said check to see if they have to move areas to find birds.

Jeez if everyone stayed home what would all those young gals do. (sadly not really a joke)

Tim
 
Migratory birds are well migratory. The ducks I hope to hunt here aren't here yet. They are still up north. Is this not the case in most of the country?


North and South Dakota (and Montana) can be heavy duck production areas. High pond counts don't help much if the nests failed. Not all of our birds migrate in, there are usually plenty here all summer... well most years. We will see I guess.
I'll about bet though that when the shooting and combining start that the duck will move. Some places that don't have birds now will be covered up and others will be suddenly void of all those raised there. I still think some places raised a lot of ducks in the upper plains.

The pheasants that had been a huge boom in ND the past few years will likely take a while to come back.
 
I had one of the rural mail carriers stop in a few weeks ago, during his survey period, he didn't see a brood of phez to mark down. The DNR is saying phez in this area are down 56%, and last year we were down 35% I think. But it is a pretty big region and there are area in this regions that didn't get as much snow last winter, and didn't get as much rain. But yeah would never tell anyone to stay home, but there are pockets of birds, especially ducks. I haven't found the pockets of phez yet though.

Andy point is valid and one of the factors I alluded too, there was good habitat from SD well into Canada. But we had a lot of ducks around here in June on certain sloughs nesting and trying to nest. On my property and onto our neighbors, we have a large wetland complex, it now totals about 75 acres, I glassed it 3-4 days a week because this was one of the sloughs that had good bird numbers. in the early part of june I had 4pr of bluebills, 4pr of redheads, 2 pr of pintails, 2 pr of widgeon, 1pr of woodducks, a few shoveler, no gadwalls and numerous mallards and least 10pr + of teal. At that time frame, saw mostly drake mallards(30+) so I assumed hens were on nests. Throughout the summer I saw in my estimate 5-6 different broods of mallards and 5-6 broods of teal and nothing else. Most of the teal broods were small, 2-4 babies, about half of the mallard broods that I saw were late, well into july. I watched one brood on a small satelitte pothole in late july go from 7 fuzzballs to 3 fuzzballs, then none. In mid August we had a big concentration of ducks feeding in a standing soybean field south of our place a mile. Most likely all the young we raised in a few mile radius. The field was sprayed I think for aphids, and they were gone and haven't found a concentaion like that since.

Another thing in all the reading I could find, most species should be on nests by the end of may, but I was still seeing ducks pair up in that mid june time frame. Even spend 10 min watching two drake pintails via for the affection of a hen, by chasing he all over the sky. It was really neat to watch, but again mid june? The divers may have had it the toughest in this area, where are sloughs came up and avg of 3ft. They like to nest on the waters edge in stands of old emergent growth and new growth. The old stuff was under water, and in mid june I started to see the new growth come up in early june, but it had shifted in many sloughs back towards the to the new shorline.

There are many other factors I think you need to figure in as well. But as I said before there are areas that have birds, this area doesn't right now outside small pockets. I even spent some time this last weekend north of the freeway and was not impressed.
 
bill I am blowing by you in a couple weeks headed to MT. I am hoping I don't drive all that way for nothing. I have been planning it for a while, so its hard to scrap it now.
 
Jeez if everyone stayed home what would all those young gals do. (sadly not really a joke)

Tim


Someone has been holding out on me! Can I get camp-side delivery?!?!?!?!?
 
Unfortunately this is all too true. I bartended this summer in a small town that used to have a large outfitter and boy did I hear the stories. Some of it was criminal, literally.
 
Jeez if everyone stayed home what would all those young gals do. (sadly not really a joke)

Tim


Someone has been holding out on me! Can I get camp-side delivery?!?!?!?!?

Tod,
I think you have to pre-qualify for the services. You need to hunt in groups of 20, shoot three limits and be scared to death the guy next to you is going to shoot you. Stick around Mitchell or Winner and I'm sure you can find something to look at (mostly but not all that I'm alluding to) for a price. If you aren't here the first week or two the rumors are that they migrate back to their natural home, many are not locally raised.

I can send Jen more info if you wish to pursue this subject. :)

Tim
 
Just so everyone knows, there are no ducks in MN nor Wisconsin so don't bother coming here instead of North Dakota. All kidding aside -

On our SD land, there have been very limited pheasant counts and sightings. Considering that we typically have birds so thick you swear the whole field is moving, this is not good sign. Where we are at had a hard winter and wet spring. Many of the nesting spots for the pheasants have flooded. I have a big gathering to hunt every year but this year it was cancelled. Not due to the anticipated lower number of birds but for other reasons. I'm not planning to reschedule however due to the lower bird count.

Mark W
 
Bill would you say this is a local issue or more broad issue in No Dak? After all we did have record duck number recordings this year. They've got to be somewhere...

Wisconsin is VERY low on water. A little concerned that we have so little water the birds wont want to come this way.
 
Jeez if everyone stayed home what would all those young gals do. (sadly not really a joke)

Tim


Someone has been holding out on me! Can I get camp-side delivery?!?!?!?!?

Tod,
I think you have to pre-qualify for the services. You need to hunt in groups of 20, shoot three limits and be scared to death the guy next to you is going to shoot you. Stick around Mitchell or Winner and I'm sure you can find something to look at (mostly but not all that I'm alluding to) for a price. If you aren't here the first week or two the rumors are that they migrate back to their natural home, many are not locally raised.

I can send Jen more info if you wish to pursue this subject. :)

Tim


Whoa, back the truck up. You didn't mention there was a price involved.

Seriously, wow I had no idea that such a thing existed - the things you learn and I thought hunting was wholesome sport.
 
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