Ground blind question follow-up... NDR, but deer related.

tod osier

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Hey all, I reporting back on the advice to buy a Double Bull Ground blind for deer and turkies. Thanks Neil, Hank and Dave, and more, for the advice to buy a Double Bull – I bought one of the clearance Double Bull 360’s from Cabelas, and from what I can tell they are the pre-Primos purchase overstock blinds. They have no mention of Primos, other than a flyer slipped in.

Anyway, I’ve had it out with Gus twice (the purpose for buying) and we haven’t tagged a deer, but it is sweet. So fast up and down, quiet - just slick. I did use it to tag my personal best archery buck though!!!

Deer story follows below… I have been trying really hard to shoot a big mature buck for the past couple years with my bow. I've shot some decent antlered deer, but not the horse I’ve been looking for. I have been watching a pair of nice bucks for the past two months and have been hoping that they stay in their bachelor/summer pattern until the season opens. They have been consistently moving through a property I have permission on and I had them patterned pretty well. I hunted from a permanent tree stand that I have up last week on a good wind, but they moved by out of range and teased me at 60+ yards. To position myself closer to the trail, I had no good tree to hunt – so out came the Double Bull – I even had on a ninja mask on! The lesser of the two bucks and a herd of does passed by out of range and, but the big boy lingered and came by at 40 yards, I drew on him, but I couldn’t stop him, so the whole mess of them ended up in the field downwind at 50 -100 yards for an hour. They moved back into the woods and the big one passed by at 40 yards, I drew on him when he was perfectly positioned, but I had a dead stick at 20 yards over his vitals. He heard me let down and slowed his pace looking my direction. He stopped at 40 with his front 1/3 behind a tree, but he was quartering away, so I needed to hit in the area of the rear couple ribs to push forward to get lung, I had that shot, but not by much. Arrow flew true and he was off. I found no blood at all, but I knew my arrow was in him and roughly the right place if he was quartering away as hard as I thought (if he was more broadside than I thought, I would have liver). I left him for the night and picked up his track in the morning and tracked him with no blood, just by trailing his footprints to find him dead about 100 yards out. I got liver and both lungs – the arrow almost passed through the far side - it passed through the ribcage but not the skin and broke off inside. The entry sealed up and didn’t leak a bit of blood. All is well that ends well! This deer was an honest 200# gutted from my scale that I know is true in that range. A 7 point with nice mass - I couldn’t be happier. Dealing with a big deer in the heat is no fun though.



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From my trail cam...
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Wow, nice deer Tod! Forty yards is a good shot. What bow and arrow set-up did you shoot him with?


I am heading up to NH this weekend for a final shot at a black bear. I am shooting black powder this year, but would like to try and get one next year with either a vintage open sights BP gun or a bow and arrow.


Best,
Nate
 
Todd he's a beauty. I just picked up a Bull blind and I'm planning on using it soon. Congrats.

Bill V
 
Wow, nice deer Tod! Forty yards is a good shot. What bow and arrow set-up did you shoot him with?


I am heading up to NH this weekend for a final shot at a black bear. I am shooting black powder this year, but would like to try and get one next year with either a vintage open sights BP gun or a bow and arrow.


Best,
Nate


Thanks Nate,

40 yards is getting out there - I have been shooting out to 60 yards thinking about an Elk hunt in the future and have been shooting really well. Conditions were perfect, wind still and deer was still and not spooked. That is a long flight from release to whack that is for sure. Anyway, I'm shooting a Hoyt Vectrix at 70# with carbon arrows and mechanicals.

Good luck with the bear!

T
 
Tod,

Nice deer. Haven't seen many 6-7 pointers with that kind of mass or spread. What mechanical are you using? I've thought about them but from what I've seen on TV they don't seem to have the penetration that a fixed blade has. Do you know what energy your arrow has? In case you don't have the formula handy: velocity squared times arrow weight in grains divided by 430,240. My set up is a 465 gr. arrow+broadhead traveling at 245 fps so I get almost 65 ft.lbs. at the "muzzle". I have been thinking about a new, faster bow in order to get that up in the neighborhood of 72-75 just for elk hunting.

Pete
 
Tod,

Nice deer. Haven't seen many 6-7 pointers with that kind of mass or spread. What mechanical are you using? I've thought about them but from what I've seen on TV they don't seem to have the penetration that a fixed blade has. Do you know what energy your arrow has? In case you don't have the formula handy: velocity squared times arrow weight in grains divided by 430,240. My set up is a 465 gr. arrow+broadhead traveling at 245 fps so I get almost 65 ft.lbs. at the "muzzle". I have been thinking about a new, faster bow in order to get that up in the neighborhood of 72-75 just for elk hunting.

Pete


Pete,

To be honest, I haven't messed around with speed at all, I don't know what my bow shoots. This is mostly because I'm prone to want speed, so if I don't know it is fast enought for me. My bow is a Hoyt Vectrix 60-70 (Hoyt's 2007 top end bow) with the poundage adjustment screw buried, so it is around 70. I'm shooting standard Beeman ICS 400s, cut to 27". Bow is probably not all that fast, since it is a 27" draw length. I tried some fixed blades, but I couldn't get them to shoot as I'd like and just went with mechanicals (Cableas cheapos, which are NAP from what I can tell). I have great comfidence in this combo and the arrows fly really great compared to field points and hit maybe 1/2" high at 40 yards and right on left to right from my field points. I wouldn't use a mechanical for elk. They don't penetrate super well even with deer. I've had a couple hits where the mechanical could have done better, but they fly well and I'd rather hit them where I want than worry about arrow flight. Hard thing is the faster you get going the harder a fixed blade is to get to fly well, but you know that too.

I have not tried any of the micro 1" fixed blades though. I have a ton of these mechanicals and I'll mess around more in a year when I put a new string and cables on and need to retune.

T
 
Nice deer Tod, glad the blind is working for you. One thing I never did but wish I had started is keeping a log right on the inside wall of the blind. I had thought about writing the date and species on the inside wall as a running log of the animals taken from my blind. I never got started from the begining so didn't end up doing it at all but I still wish I had started.
 
Thanks, pretty much what I thought. I have been contemplating a new bow for a couple of years but the one I got (1990 - Oregon @72lbs) has been such a good shooter that I hate to sit it in the closet. It is a much heavier bow than the new ones, mostly due to a massive riser and 48" axle to axle. That also makes it a very easy bow to shoot of course. It's an eccentric wheel bow. I guess I'll just keep contemplating for a few more years.
 
Nice buck! We have columbian subspecies whitetails along the river here, but they're no bigger than the blacktails (i.e. damned small), and protected as well. We do have really big elk here though.
 
Scott,
that is one thick pig of a deer.
Nice going. I dont trust my shot out past 30. You got a good one.

Sounds like the blind works well with the kids. I may have to try one.

Ashley just got her first bow for her birthday. Now I need some haybales to protect the garage.
 
Congrats on a big buck. That is about as beefed up as I've ever seen a September buck. Even in the trail cam photo he looks thick necked.
Do you have to pull teeth there for the state to age? It would be interesting to know how old he was. I bet he was the stud of the woods for a while.

Tim
 
Scott,
that is one thick pig of a deer.
Nice going. I dont trust my shot out past 30. You got a good one.

Sounds like the blind works well with the kids. I may have to try one.

Ashley just got her first bow for her birthday. Now I need some haybales to protect the garage.


Bob, you know what works great as an arrow backstop is blue or orange floatation foam blocks. You must be able to rustle some of them up. That is what I use behind my target.

I almost didn't post that I shot that deer at 40, because I used to think the same thing. I sure am glad that I had that deer at 40 and not 10 or 20 on the ground, I would have been shaking bad. 40 made it almost clinical.
 
Congrats on a big buck. That is about as beefed up as I've ever seen a September buck. Even in the trail cam photo he looks thick necked.
Do you have to pull teeth there for the state to age? It would be interesting to know how old he was. I bet he was the stud of the woods for a while.

Tim


I'm going to clean the skull for a euro mount, so I'll have the teeth. He had all the features fo an old deer - saggy belly, droopy back, roman nose, so I'm expecting more than 3.5 years. I woudl have loved to see him with a thick neck in rut, as it was it was pretty meaty.

Had some round steaks on the grill last night - pretty good!
 
Wouldn't surprise me if he is 5 1/2+. 200 lbs gutted is a big deer. Even the horns look like a deer with plenty of age.
Glad he's tasty.

Tim
 
Wouldn't surprise me if he is 5 1/2+. 200 lbs gutted is a big deer. Even the horns look like a deer with plenty of age.
Glad he's tasty.

Tim


200# is rare here, they get talked about but a lot of the 200#ers are estimates. The only reason I wonder about a buck in decline is that I have trail cam pics from last winter of a big bodied buck with very similar antler shape, but much less massive rack. Last year was a poor mast year and the antlers dropped early, the buck I had pictures of he had one antler dropped, but the one he had is a carbon copy of this year, but smaller and less mass. I passed up on what I assume was that same deer the next week (sans antlers) in the company of some does and - the thing was just huge. I stuck one of the skippers in the group thinking that it would suck to shoot a nice buck without antlers and maybe I'd get a crack at it in the future :).

I'll post up the trailcam pic from last year to let you compare when I get home. I'm going to skin and flesh the head tonight/tomorrow, so I'll have a look at the teeth too.

T
 
I will be curious to see what you find with the teeth.
Do you get the QDMA magazine? You would find it very interesting and I think the yearly fee is only $25. I read it cover to cover. Very good info on Biology and Habitat of Whitetail deer. Also each issue has aging tests with three opinions of qualified managers\biologists.
 
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