How long did it take to get your band info back?

John L

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I only harvested one banded bird this year and still have not received the band(s) information.

On December 24th I took a double banded Brant and reported the information. Still nothing and the website says still pending.

Is anyone else waiting this long for there band info to come back?
It seem like a long time.
 
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I only harvested one banded bird this year and still have not received the band(s) information.

On December 24th I took a double banded Brant and reported the information. Still nothing and the website says still pending.

Is anyone else waiting this long for there band info to come back?
It seem like a long time.


I shot a double banded brant a couple years back - but never reported it because a guy drove his boat out and picked it up and claimed it before my dog could make the retrieve.
 
I only harvested one banded bird this year and still have not received the band(s) information.

On December 24th I took a double banded Brant and reported the information. Still nothing and the website says still pending.

Is anyone else waiting this long for there band info to come back?
It seem like a long time.


I shot a double banded brant a couple years back - but never reported it because a guy drove his boat out and picked it up and claimed it before my dog could make the retrieve.
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Tod,

Are you sure it wasn't Dec 24th of last season and up in NY ?????? :>) :>)
 
I only harvested one banded bird this year and still have not received the band(s) information.

On December 24th I took a double banded Brant and reported the information. Still nothing and the website says still pending.

Is anyone else waiting this long for there band info to come back?
It seem like a long time.


I shot a double banded brant a couple years back - but never reported it because a guy drove his boat out and picked it up and claimed it before my dog could make the retrieve.

Tod,

Are you sure it wasn't Dec 24th of last season and up in NY ?????? :>) :>)
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I looked at John's picture close, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the same guy. :).
 
John~

I shot a double-banded Brant on Long Island late-January this year. I got response on web immediately. It had been banded in summer 2011 and so data was in the system.

BTW: The double bands are one aluminum and one stainless steel. It is a study to see how each holds up. Apparently aluminum lasts only a few seasons so it is likely all will be SS in future.

All the best,

SJS
 
Steve,

Yes, one was aluminum and the other Stainless. The aluminum band was worn down so mush it was hard to make out the numbers. The ss looked like it was new.
 
The system is flawed in many aspects. But this is the problem that occurs when we are dealing with many different government agencies working together but not fully understanding that collaboration and communication are essential to spending money wisely and gathering accurate data.

Case in point:

While walking out to my public hunting spot earlier this year, I stumbled across a small piece of faded red plastic. Bending down to pick it up, I quickly recognized it as something familiar. A bit of searching allowed me to find two other pieces (in total... about 75% of the whole). They were located below the high water line, which leads me to believe that they hadn't been there too terribly long. The three parts were all laying about 15 yards apart (one face up, two face down).

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From these parts, I was able to easily put together the entire code... 1AA.

Like any other hunter and birder, I wondered how old the bird was?? I knew the species of goose that would be packing this collar was a Dusky Canada Goose, a bird which has raised many questions in the minds of biologists and is the target species of many studies.

I reported it online and

This was my response:

USGS response...

As you probably know, these markers are used by researchers to address many questions regarding bird movements and other aspects of their life history. They enable researchers to track movements of individual banded birds without the need to recapture them. The banding and color marking of birds is conducted by a variety of researchers, some with State, Federal, NGO, or university affiliations. Our office authorizes these projects, but is not directly involved in them.

We receive thousands of these reports each year and attempt to respond to the sighters with information on each. However, due to various reasons, we are often not able to. Each bird with a color marker is also wearing a metal Federal leg band, which bears the 9-digit number that is the code by which we ultimately store our data.

There are two possible responses to these reports:

1) We will be able to match the marker to an individual bird (by leg band number), and enter your sighting information into our database, producing a certificate that will give you all the banding information along with your sighting information.

2) We will be able to match the marker to a bander, but not an individual bird, in which case we will contact the bander asking him/her to explain the nature of the project and what they have learned from the marking.

We cannot predict or control the nature of the response you will get from the bander, although we do make them aware that color marking authorizations carry with them an obligation to respond to the public. Many color marking projects are designed to study only local movements, and the bander may not be interested in reports from afar.

Because there can be several steps involved in resolving these reports, the process may take a long while. Please do not report the marker a second time! If we are unable to match the marker you reported, we will notify you by e-mail. This is, unfortunately, a common outcome, due to the fact that colors fade, markers fall off, codes are misread, etc.

Your interest, cooperation and patience are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center Bird Banding Laboratory


Several Days Later:

I recieved an email back from the BBL (Bird Banding Lab) that explained to me that the collar I reported could not be connected to their records. I was informed that I would not be receiving a certificate with the information about the bird, and that they apologized. They had NO information about the bird whatsoever.

Meanwhile

I made a couple phone calls to the Alaska USGS office, spoke with the bio who put the actual collar on this bird, and within 15 minutes, received this info.

1AA is a Female Dusky Canada Goose that was banded as an adult on 7/23 of the year 2000. She was originally captured and marked along the Alaganik slough which is on the Western part of the Copper River Delta. Link to map below:

http://www.zeemaps.com/pub?group=490...=60.447966&z=8

She was spotted one time in 2003 on her nesting grounds with her mate, but she has not been reported since. I now have the band number which is currently unreported.

Then:

I made a phone call to the gentleman at the banding lab whose name appeared at the bottom of the e-mail I had received earlier. He answered. I gave him the reference number to my report. I informed him that I had called the USGS biologist who had put the exact collar on the bird. I let him know I had a band number for him to use to help get my certificate.

He stuttered...then questioned me about who I had contacted. He sounded like he didn't believe me. I gave him the biologist's name. I gave him the band number. I then proceeded to give him the details of the bird and asked him if it sounded like a match. Indeed it was.

He told me that he would work up a certificate, but I needed to send him back the data from my original report. Hmmm... this seemed interesting. He already had a reference number. So I copied and pasted the email he had just sent to me...right back to him. It had all of the information on it. I was told my certificate would be on the way.

My certificate arrived shortly after, and I was finished with the experience.

My Conclusion:

There seems to be a flaw with the system... it shouldn't be that hard for the USGS to get their information in order. If an individual such as myself could locate the original bander of the collared Dusky in 15 minutes over the phone, why can't they? Is our money being spent on studies that are conducted properly, yielding results that are viable. I understand that mistakes will be made, but this is a species of goose that is in dire need of management. It just makes me wonder about what drives this management, and if it indeed is providing us with accurate data??

This is not the only instance where this has occurred. Last year during the winter, my Science students (with my guidance) reported 8 neck collars that appeared on geese that landed on the school grounds. We never heard back from USGS on 7 of these reports. We did receive 1 certificate back. We sent several emails with our reference numbers and never received responses. The students were disappointed and to be honest... so was I.

I have reported quite a few marked birds with a great deal of success, but the above instances leave me in question..... anyway, just my thoughts.
 
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It took me 2 minutes, as I registered all of the info on line. My black duck came from MD, it was shot out in the Captree area of LI.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I think I'll follow Jon's lead and do some searching of my own. I have called a few times and ge the same answer. "Check the website, the info should be on there." I called again and told them I stil can't get any info and they just tell me to be patient.
I really would not care much but this was a bird that I shot with my daughter and she really wants to find out moe about it.
 
David,

Thats what I would also assume but my daughter wants an official answer.
Also note that if and when you receive your info, the USGS does not send official certificates via regular mail anymore. You have the option of recieving an emailed "likeness" of the ones they used to mail.....Thus you can print it out on your own. I use resume paper(printed 6 out so far this way)it comes out MUCH nicer then the ones they used to mail. I think they stoped sending certs out through the mail 3 years ago.


Best of luck and I hope you and your daughter get that info soon!
 
After checking the website again the only thing it had was a confirmation that I had reported the band along with the date.

I took Jon's advise and made a few calls. Like Jon said, 15 minutes later I was able to get some info on one of the bands.

The bird was banded July 22 2004 20Km east of Prairie Point Nunavat Canada. Which is where I had thought it would have been from.
They are going to send me a full report on the bird which will include some additional biological information.

Thanks Jon
 
After checking the website again the only thing it had was a confirmation that I had reported the band along with the date.

I took Jon's advise and made a few calls. Like Jon said, 15 minutes later I was able to get some info on one of the bands.

The bird was banded July 22 2004 20Km east of Prairie Point Nunavat Canada. Which is where I had thought it would have been from.
They are going to send me a full report on the bird which will include some additional biological information.

Thanks Jon


If your daughter is interested I have the map of exactly where prairie point is located from the banders.
 
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