"....that is the centrist, realist point of view held by the vast majority of Americans".
Where? In Vermont? New Hampshire? Iowa? Sorry, that is a "falsehood".
"It is okay to make mistakes, but the idea is to learn from them. We ought to learn form the mistake of invading Iraq, and grow from it, not hide behind it and continue to justify it."
We certainly have made mistakes and we ARE growing from it....unfortunately that is the way of war. We are NOT hiding behind anything other than just about EVERYBODY in our government condoned it including Gore, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid etc and now we have a mess to deal with(IT'S CALLED WAR!). We are justifying it because people like you want to lose and withdraw and therefore we must continue to make positive points of justification which is very difficult when folks like yourself feed at the trough of lies everyday(hint hint, that ain't centrist thinking).
"Yes, we do torture. It is not debatable. Our president and his lawyers authorized it, and we stand by and condone it. If you don't believe that, you are sadly mistaken. What may be a point of debate is whether it is okay to torture people. I say no it isn't, but others think it is okay (the ends justify the means). "
I didn't say we don't torture..I am referring to the "falsehood" you belched out when you compared our policy to that of the Hussein's. This is a mis-interpretation to put it nicely. Our government has strict guidelines when it comes to torture. Do I believe agencies bend the rules and torture beyond the scope of "acceptibility"....more than likely it has and will happen. But, based on the fact that the microscope is always beaming down on our military and intelligence folks I'd say it's unlikely. Like I mentioned in a prior post...we'll just send them to France and they can plug them in where their nuts get fried and nobody cares because we aren't doing it. To compare our "torture policy" to that of the Hussein regime is magnificent "falsehood". There is a huge difference between the president of a country beheading 30 politicians in front of their peers(live on state owned TV)with a sword for not voting the presidents way and George Bush figuring that water boarding a known terrorists murderer to gain intelligence that may prevent hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands of innocent citizens from having their lives destroyed or taken away. One big difference is that at the end of the day after the terrorists is done being water boarded or hearing Motley Crue blared into his cell he can go pray to Allah and eat a nice dinner that is culturally approved and payed for by you and me. The dissenting voter will be taken by dump truck to a mass grave, pushed in and covered with sand. His family killed...his daughter given to Uday to screw and murder or enslave for others to rape. I highly suspect that there aren't any rape chairs hidden away in the basement of the Bush compound in Maine or Texas. Another typical left-wing falsehood and you are dead wrong.
"Hardy har har har, don't understand the big picture. I'd call that the pot calling the kettle black..."
I can't agree to disagree with you. You are wrong on so many levels and your misinterpretation of the facts are patent left-wing liberal dribble(incidentally I have more democrat friends than republican friends so I know a little something about centrist views). You are brainwashed, but be sure and vote for the next wonder-politician you guys are so famous for producing. Granholm, Corsine, Carter, Reid, Pelosi, HOWARD DEAN etc etc ad nauseum.....they are doing a wonderful job!
