Thanks guys. The bird is all Tupelo. Made it thicker and wider than my normal pattern. I left the length the same. It may be my new gunner style. Scott, as for the hat , I think we have another one around here somewhere. Shawn- He always says something about-- remember the time me and you, Shawn, and Brian hunted. Still the most incredible Gadwall sight or duck sight that I have ever seen. Rick I will try and get with you this week.