Layout boat with Visqueen.....

unlike the drawing you have posted above where the lines run bow to stern -- the picture makes it look like the deekes run a a port to stabord direction --- am i not seeing it correctly? or is that another variation on set-up that can be used??
 
That is a nice illustration. Thanks for the advice.. That is pretty much how I set up on Lake Guntersville. I use about ten dozen dekes with alot of coots mixed in for that realistic look. We have alot of coots and Gadwells so I try to immulate that same look when setting dekes. I have the ability to use single rigged dekes because we normally do not hunt when winds are above 10 mph. I relize this is really not your typical layout hunting but we do the best we can. I have seen everything from red breasted merganzers to a pair of pintails in about 15 to 20 foot water. I always try to set up on the edge of the shipping lanes to catch the birds moving from flat to flat. I will echo what you said about this being a very, very dangerous form of hunting. I have had bass fisherman come within 20 feet of my boat while I shot and flashed my light at them and they never saw me. I have also had guys motor into the spread because they could not tell if it was a raft of real ducks or decoys. I almost got shot one day because someone was trying to "run and gun," in this case the decoys shot back in their direction. It takes a special (stupid) breed to hunt like this. It is alot of work but it can be rewarding. I do this type of hunting alot by myself so it takes alot of time to set up a spread, it is really not something you need to do by yourself.
 
I give Lou 100% credit for this idea which I've used very successfully over the past seven seasons. Don't bother with it in every situation because it isn't needed. As Lou will tell you, this trick only needs to be pulled out when the layout is the wrong color for the water or day, or the birds are flaring (back to reason 1).

First, use the thickest construction grade visqueen you can find. Can't remember the exact mil I use (got a roll ready to go up north), but it is very thick and takes a noticable price jump for this grade. Don't cheap out on this part if you want it to work well and last more than one outing. The good stuff almost looks more translucent white than clear.

The number one problem I have encountered using visqueen dozens of times is controling it in the wind. You better have a plan for keeping it under wraps when the breeze kicks up or else give your buddy a video camera to record the comedy. It's like a light weight sail that catches every gust of wind and will fly out of shape constantly if it isn't buttoned down. Especially in the cockpit area where wind wants to slide under the plastic and balloon up over the deck of the boat. Some use decoy weights, but I like something heavier such as two pound lead trolling sinkers. Forget the exact number, but it's something like ten of them all around the perimeter. I use those two part plastic gromets for tarps and fold the visqueen over for double bite where it will be under water. This way the plastic won't tear where you have the weights tied to it. I used to use decoy cord, but now have upgraded to 300 pound mono and aluminum crimps I have on hand for texas rigging. This will hold the visqueen down around the edges and with the gromets last an entire season or more.

The biggest wear factor is ripping in the corners where you cut out for the cockpit. I reinforce these areas on the UNDERSIDE with duct tape. Trust me, the ducks won't care about the tan color of the sticky part of duct tape under the plastic. By the time they even have a chance to even notice it under the water like glare of the visqueen they are dead. The good news is this will make those cut out corners last much longer.

Keeping the plastic from ballooning when wind enters in the cockpit is another challenge. I've used several methods including large metal clips from office supply stores spray painted grey to black plastic clips from Harbor Freight. None of them are perfect and they all pop off at times when getting in and out of the boat. Just buy a lot of them and keep that wind from getting under the plastic in the cockpit area.

BTW, that reminds me of another tip. WHen you cut the visqueen for the cockpit cut out leave it the full length of the opening and completely attached toward your feet. That way a hunter can pull the visqueen over himself like a blanket for the ultimate open water camo. I often tuck it under my chin to keep the wind from blowing it and allowing both hands to be free.

It's a pain in the arse, but very worthwhile when birds that wouldn't come in minutes before are darn near landing on top of you!

Thanks Lou.......
 
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Hey Rick,
Thanks much for the kuddos......always appreciated.
Here's another photo that required visqueen. We had been running a bunch of layout hunts with the Whistler in our Open Water Gray colors but the water had been so churned up that it was really brown (baby poop brown). So, since we had clients coming in on Saturday, I went and tested the water on Thursday for color. Went back to the shop, mixed up that color in FME and painted it on Friday. When we got to the water, turned out that the wind had settled down, the water went back to it's normal color and the boat still stood out....time for visqueen.
The boat is the exact color the water was 2 days prior to this photo.
Too funny,
Lou

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but the hunters blend in well -- lol

still want to know why the deekes run port to starbord in the photo v.s. bow to stern??? is it some secret tisch method to attract divers
 
still want to know why the deekes run port to starbord in the photo v.s. bow to stern??? is it some secret tisch method to attract divers



I can't answer that question for Lou, but I often adjust the position of the layout boat several times after the decoys are in place until it is just right according to how the birds are flying that day. How they approach and attempt to land changes radically from day to day, but stays amazingly consistent within a given morning or afternoon. Sometimes my position as a shooter in the layout ends up very unconventional with the ducks approaching right in the kill zone.

My guess is the picture depicting decoys set "against the grain" reflects a shifting of the boat after the decoys were set.
 
George it appears that they had a wind shift after setting up,indicated by the big bow in the lines.
 
I think what Lou is doing is he shifts the boat from one side or the other for right and left hand shooting. In the photo he is gunning out of his sneak box, only one man so he shifted the boat to the side so the birds would land on the left side the shooter must have been a right handed.

when layout shooting with one man boat it is best to offset the decoys from one side to the other. this way the birds stay in the lane and not veering off to the gunners week side.

the setup in the photo should look like this.

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but the hunters blend in well -- lol

still want to know why the deekes run port to starbord in the photo v.s. bow to stern??? is it some secret tisch method to attract divers

Hey George,
Working on recall (no.....not an old thing-merely a while ago), seems to me that some of the rig is still off to the left side which would put it in front of the layout. The wind had shifted and bowed the rig and we had birds coming right down the port side of the boat which was perfect for the right handed shooter in the SBS (port is to the side you are seeing). Whatever the birds want to do is what we listen to and set up for that or......adjust to what's working at the time.
Truly, we're not perpendicular to the rig. We in a "swing" with the rig and about half of the rig is not visible in that picture....they are off to the left.
Holler if that still doesn't make sense.
Later partner, Lou
 
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