mid range twins...

Harry,
in the world of continuous duty anything that turns up over 2000rpm is working very hard on the parts. It is the rare piece of aluminum that can take a water pump failure at speed when things are cranked up over 4000rpm. Diesel or gas.
Most of the "High Performance" engines sold are in the 50 hp/liter range and up. In applications where run life is required the range is closer to 25 to 30 hp/liter.
The Hand Grenade term comes from the effect of the pistons and rods when the cooling or oil fails.
I work on diesels and gas inboards, but dont harbor any ill toward outboards, I am just trying to convey some reality into the picture of loading that no salesman or broker is ever going to tell you because they are fearing you will split with your check if you cant go at the pin and get the max speed vs any other choice. I have had customers who could afford new 120 G inboards when the old ones burned up running overloaded.
I think most guys want to get their money out of an expensive pair of motors so the factors of life expectancy as related with loading are important.
As for fuel burn, no doubt the second worst spot from full wide open is just before a hull breaks the bow wave and is ridding right at the end of the displacement spectrum. But slow down and you will make it with the fuel you have, just not fast. (IE, towing insurance claim vs. got home by your own power, but late for supper.)
 
What about a 90 and then a 25 or 30 for a kicker? Nothing says a kicker has to be 9.9-15hp. I would think a 25hp would push that boat at hull speed in wind.
 
Certainly not trying to get into a pissing match over gas vs diesel. I've always thought diesel was an advantage in a slow heavy displacement boat like a tug or trawler. I hear they are awfully susceptable to injector clogs with gunk or water. Main thing about an outboard, when it's trashed you take it off the stern and get a new one. I grew up on inboard boats. Dad had Chris Crafts, Barbours and even an old Steel Craft.

The biggest pains in the backside I ever owned were inboard outboards. I owned Mercruiser, Volvo Penta and OMC's and they were all junk.
JMO,
Harry
 
Lee, I would think a 25 or 30hp motor would push the boat along fine. However, your talking about quite a bit of weight with that set up. A 90hp 4 stroke (390lbs) and a 25/30 would be in the range of 150lbs or so. That would be an aweful heavy combination.

Harry, your right about the slow revving diesel being ideal for a trawler type boat. However, there are a number of "high reving" diesel made today by Yanmar and Volvo (of course with the volvo you can get an outdrive, Yanmar direct drive or jet) that provide the performance you would get with an outboard or gas stern drive.
 
The Yamaha 2 stroke 70 and 90 hp are being discontinued. They are extremely light for their hp and are great on certain applications. But you still have a carburated 2 stroke that is sucking down some serious fuel (in comparison to a 4 stroke) and oil that now costs $25 per gallon.


Son of a bitch! When? And why, because of CARB compliance bullshit?

Pushing a big, heavily loaded boat across big water, into very skinny water, happens to be one of those "certain applications" and the two strokes have worked out better than the four strokes... I like four strokes a LOT for every application except that one, but for that one, the two strokes really shine. And last.


i was getting some prices on 20-25 outboards, and was told yamaha was discontinuing their 2 strokes in the next year and a half-two years.
 
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