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Capt J. Stieben

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Couple of my hunting buddies have been debating the subject of decoys when hunting divers (bluebills and redheads) in open water - Is it better to have more smaller decoys or less of bigger decoys?


Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
 
More larger ones. :<)). I asked the same question last year and got the same kind of answer. What seems to make the most sense is fewer larger ones but what in the world do I know??
 
I have had good success with about 20 - 25% of the spread over-sized and then filled out with standard sized decoys. Having hunted over very large spreads of pretty much every combination of decoys, what I have found is that the key ingredient is location. :)
 
I guess it works diffrent for divers down here, what I do is add some redhead and canvasback and bluebills on the outside edge of my puddler spread with one long line headed down wind.

I use normal sized decoys next to my puddler decoys and use mag sized decoys on my long line.

Total amout is like six dozon and of theses probably 20 to thirty will be the mag sized decoys on the long line, sometimes I dont even use the long line and many times I dont use diver decoys at all and they will decoy right in.
 
I firmly believe more is bette, particularly on days that the birds dont want to finish.

On days birds wont finish we all go through the "what dont they like questions". Are they seeing us? Are the decoys painted right ? Are they too big? Do they see something under the water etc...etc...etc.

I'm sure all of us have gone out into the spread and picked up that 1 spent shotgun shell that is "flaring" the birds.

We cant control factors like wind, temp, lighting conditions, water conditions etc...but we can control factors like decoy size, paint schemes, rigging, boat/blind placement and decoy placement. Using standard size decoys eliminates one more factor that is within our control. It eliminates the "are the decoys too big question".

Eliminate as many factors as possible (ahead of time). Once all the factors that we can control are eliminated-- with the exception of location--decoy placement becomes the critical issue on those days that the birds are finicky.


Just my $.02
 
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I'm generally a more guy, but I have some big ones just in case. Except for special circumstances I'm also a longline guy, and not just for ease of handling, but for the same reason as "more". When you see a group of birds on the water at a distance, especially a big flock the first thing you notice as you approach is a dark line on the water with white flashes. The "more" decoys you have spaced reasonably close together the closer your rig resembles a raft of birds. Obviously the illusion is enhanced in calm water (if you have a decent lee), if not maybe that's a spot where I'm tossing in some bigger decoys. The importance of a flag can't be overstated either when trying to draw birds to a location other than the X.

While I'm on the subject one thing I don't remember being discussed is how to set longlines to look like a raft of birds and control them over your rig. Most guys set longlines for ease of handling, rather than for handling birds. This usually means parallel lines spaced far enough apart to drive a boat through. If you're ever in a try something new mood, here's a couple of thoughts.

As mentioned above, my objective is to make the rig look like a group of birds. Wow, big secret. If you watch birds from a distance, the groups on the water which draw the most flying birds in are the ones that appear tightest together and most divers approach from the side, swing in from the rear and fly to the head of the raft to light. If longline rigged birds are set in parallel lines in any direction, and birds swing around that rig, from some perspective the illusion of a raft is lost.

The solution is simple. Longlines can be rigged in a "V" with the open end downwind. From a layout we tie the upwind end right to the boat, from a rock position it comes to the rock (assuming you are facing downwind). For a crosswind we use a large anchor with a lobster pot buoy as a gang anchor, as many as 6 longlines with 25 birds each can be attached then spread out downwind with an individual tail anchor. It's amazing how the birds will turn upwind and come right up the open part of the V. If you take a ride around the rig in a boat you'll see why, from all directions the rig appears dense enhancing the illusion of "more". The key is that the point faces directly upwind so the birds come up the open end to the head of the rig.

I'm sure lots of other guys have done this, sorry for being a blowhard. I just haven't seen it discussed, or don't remember it because I'm getting old.
 
The only divers I hunt regularly are Goldeneyes, and only late in the season on salt water with irregular rocky shorelines.

I don't generally see large rafts of birds, but of 2-10, and feeding groups that are typically smaller than that.

I figure the plan is to match what the birds are seeing live birds do, so I typically set just 3-6 decoys at the end of a point where I see divers feeding. My rig consists of 3 way oversized plastic decoys and 5 Bean's corks that are a little larger than real GE's. I set the large plastics on one side of our shore blind (usually downwind) and the smaller corks on the other.

When birds land in the decoys, they seem to set into the larger ones more often.

I like Scott's concept of the V-lines, as it seems GE's fly upwind to the head of the decoys before landing. If I hunted a bigger rig I think the open V would help attract birds to the blind.
 
I plan on running long lines this year for the first time, I appreciate the commentary on this and hope to see more talk of it, maybe even some diagrams posted
 
I try to match the type of hunting I'm doing. On really big water, I like bigger decoys to get their attention with smaller ones to fill in the holes. For smaller water, I use smaller decoys. Late season, I usually start putting out less dekes since everyone else is putting out boatloads and it just doesn't seem or look realistic. Sometimes my strategies pay off big, sometimes my strategies make me look like its my first time in the marsh!


Dave
 
ducks have 6 to 8 power vision. they can see other ducks a mile or 2 away. mallards are able to distinguish there own species at a distance of 300 yards. just a couple of tidbits to further confuse the topic!!!!
Location is more important than any other factor, scouting beats all.
Enjoy, the season is near!!!!
 
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