More salt for the wound
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Brad Taylor
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[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]This page was founded by a group of traditionalists, spinning wing decoys are not traditional - as far as I'm concerned they are an abomination. You say if it is legal it is okay with you, that says a lot to me. To my ear I hear that it is all about the bag in a minimum amount of time and effort, that does not jive with many of us. Kill your ducks over an abomination and feel fine about it, just don't expect me to ra ra ra your effort.
Tod
I didn't take issue to Tod not liking spinners. I hate the things, they're nasty, I don't hunt over them and often jab those that do, however, I took issue to the fact that he related using spinners with not being traditional and goes on to relate time and effort in the hunt with bagging birds. If that is your argument, then I think it is completely appropriate to bring into question the use of modern equipment and being a traditionalist.
My goretex keeps me out longer and keeps me drier---> I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My neo waders keep me drier and warmer for longer, I stay out longer----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My 4 stroke lets me consume less fuel and takes me farther---->[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My neo vest for the dog keeps him out longer and keeps him warmer, we hunt longer into the season----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My 4x4 gets me out on days that others stay home----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My cell, gps, HAM radio keep me safe and help with location----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds[/font]
The thing is, I NEVER think about the above items giving me the opportunity to kill more birds. I never think about the hunt as killing MORE birds. I think I am like a lot of guys/gals on this forum. I want to watch the dog work. I want to laugh and joke around with my hunting buddy. I want to carve decoys and build boats. I want to be out in the wilderness. I want to enjoy my bounty on the kitchen table.
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One of the GREAT things about this forum is the ability to have arguments/discussions over such things. For the most part it stays fairly civil. I have always been a fan of having real names on forums. I do it on every forum I am on. It brings a degree of "real" to an otherwise "imaginary" world. I have never met Tod, but I am sure that he was not offended by any of the comments made, nor was I offended by his. He would be welcome in my boat any time.
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Tod
I didn't take issue to Tod not liking spinners. I hate the things, they're nasty, I don't hunt over them and often jab those that do, however, I took issue to the fact that he related using spinners with not being traditional and goes on to relate time and effort in the hunt with bagging birds. If that is your argument, then I think it is completely appropriate to bring into question the use of modern equipment and being a traditionalist.
My goretex keeps me out longer and keeps me drier---> I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My neo waders keep me drier and warmer for longer, I stay out longer----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My 4 stroke lets me consume less fuel and takes me farther---->[/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My neo vest for the dog keeps him out longer and keeps him warmer, we hunt longer into the season----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My 4x4 gets me out on days that others stay home----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds
My cell, gps, HAM radio keep me safe and help with location----> [/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]I have the opportunity to kill more birds[/font]
The thing is, I NEVER think about the above items giving me the opportunity to kill more birds. I never think about the hunt as killing MORE birds. I think I am like a lot of guys/gals on this forum. I want to watch the dog work. I want to laugh and joke around with my hunting buddy. I want to carve decoys and build boats. I want to be out in the wilderness. I want to enjoy my bounty on the kitchen table.
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One of the GREAT things about this forum is the ability to have arguments/discussions over such things. For the most part it stays fairly civil. I have always been a fan of having real names on forums. I do it on every forum I am on. It brings a degree of "real" to an otherwise "imaginary" world. I have never met Tod, but I am sure that he was not offended by any of the comments made, nor was I offended by his. He would be welcome in my boat any time.
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mike braden
Well-known member
I originally was going to chime in on this as well, but still being a newbie I just deleted and opted not to.
But since Eric posted I felt maybe I could put my spin on things.
Tod is certainly allowed to have his opinion. He shoots from the hip and sticks to his guns and if he thinks that you full of sh*t he'll tell you. He may not be a crowd pleaser but I think that he is being honest with himself. Now I don't know Tod from Jack or is it Jack A**? This is what I gather from his post. He gives his thoughts and sometimes many of you fire back at him but you'll never see him cry foul at any of you. He takes it on the chin and agrees to disagree with us, but he does bring a lot of knowledge to this site.
FYI - Tod did say to Derek, sorry for ruining your day it's just how I feel. No one seemed to pick up on that.
Derek had a great day that will leave a bit of a sour taste and that's unfortunate.
But since Eric posted I felt maybe I could put my spin on things.
Tod is certainly allowed to have his opinion. He shoots from the hip and sticks to his guns and if he thinks that you full of sh*t he'll tell you. He may not be a crowd pleaser but I think that he is being honest with himself. Now I don't know Tod from Jack or is it Jack A**? This is what I gather from his post. He gives his thoughts and sometimes many of you fire back at him but you'll never see him cry foul at any of you. He takes it on the chin and agrees to disagree with us, but he does bring a lot of knowledge to this site.
FYI - Tod did say to Derek, sorry for ruining your day it's just how I feel. No one seemed to pick up on that.
Derek had a great day that will leave a bit of a sour taste and that's unfortunate.
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JimG - Think you're right. Very sorry to see as I very much enjoyed seeing his posts and the pics he would send from an area I will likely never get to hunt. As for the tone, some need to learn to LIGHTEN THAT UP. He probably decided that being around his normal hunting buddies who don't pre-judge and act the a$$ is better than putting up with the $hit he caught here. I don't know Derek, but don't presume it means he is thin skinned. It may just mean why put up with bull$hit from people he doesn't know. Simple as that. Derek, if you are reading this, I wish you would come back though. Trip.
I compromise. I shove my spinner's pole into the bottom, set the spinner on top, then surround it with my cork and cedar blackducks.
For me, it's become put out my spinner and shoot some birds, or don't put out my spinner and watch the guys 300yds away with their spinner do ALL of the shooting, except for the guys next to him with their spinner, and so on and so forth. It takes up room in the boat, the battery is a pain to deal with, but it, for me anyway, has become a tool of necessity. It hasn't increased my bag a great deal, but it levels the playing field.
For me, it's become put out my spinner and shoot some birds, or don't put out my spinner and watch the guys 300yds away with their spinner do ALL of the shooting, except for the guys next to him with their spinner, and so on and so forth. It takes up room in the boat, the battery is a pain to deal with, but it, for me anyway, has become a tool of necessity. It hasn't increased my bag a great deal, but it levels the playing field.
Larry J
Active member
Eric, first of all, thanks for starting this forum and this post. I’ve learned a great deal from the people and posts on here. What a great resource. I’d like to respond to Todd’s comments regarding the use of spinning wing decoys and your comments defending and supporting Todd.
Todd, first of all, your high jacking of that post was uncalled for. It wouldn’t be tolerated on any forum, not even The Refuge. That was truly a low blow and nothing but a sorry excuse to preach your ideals. If you want to preach, start a new post (or better yet go do it on The Refuge maybe you can set some guys straight). I’d actually welcome a discussion about “traditionalism”. Seriously, maybe you and others can explain to the readers your definition of a traditionalist waterfowler, without just merely bad-mouthing others. And don’t equate traditionalism with ethical hunting. There are many waterfowling traditions that aren’t considered ethical by today’s standards.
Eric and Todd, don’t insult me by putting me in a class of lazy, low-life, SOB hunters simply because there’s a spinner in my spread. I’ve spent a great deal of time and effort over the past eight years learning this sport (yes Todd, it’s a sport, those other activities you suggested we try are games). That includes, training a lab, learning to call, researching the laws and regs, searching for places to hunt, getting written permission to do so, not shooting before legal time, keeping the gun plugged, trying my best to practice VR and so on. I admit, before I knew better, I took some long passing shots. I don’t skybust any longer. I’m sure there are skybusters that use spinners just as there are skybusters that don’t use spinners. It’s not the spinner that makes an unethical hunter. I make no excuses for using one. I do it for one reason, to decoy ducks, plain and simple. You are completely uniformed, if you think I limit out each hunt using a spinner or that my goal is to do so. Most hunts I’m lucky to get one or two shots at birds. Most of my hunts are at public blinds where, if you're fortunate enough to get one, you have to tie your boat to a post or climb up in a box blind that has been in the same location year after year. Not allowed to move to where the ducks are. There’s heavy pressure on the birds and they are extremely weary. It’s an incredible challenge getting them to decoy, but I will continue my pursuit, Hoss deserves some retrieves.
Finally, give your readers more credit and consider your younger readers when posting. I have to believe that most of the guys who would search out this forum are ethical hunters.
Todd, first of all, your high jacking of that post was uncalled for. It wouldn’t be tolerated on any forum, not even The Refuge. That was truly a low blow and nothing but a sorry excuse to preach your ideals. If you want to preach, start a new post (or better yet go do it on The Refuge maybe you can set some guys straight). I’d actually welcome a discussion about “traditionalism”. Seriously, maybe you and others can explain to the readers your definition of a traditionalist waterfowler, without just merely bad-mouthing others. And don’t equate traditionalism with ethical hunting. There are many waterfowling traditions that aren’t considered ethical by today’s standards.
Eric and Todd, don’t insult me by putting me in a class of lazy, low-life, SOB hunters simply because there’s a spinner in my spread. I’ve spent a great deal of time and effort over the past eight years learning this sport (yes Todd, it’s a sport, those other activities you suggested we try are games). That includes, training a lab, learning to call, researching the laws and regs, searching for places to hunt, getting written permission to do so, not shooting before legal time, keeping the gun plugged, trying my best to practice VR and so on. I admit, before I knew better, I took some long passing shots. I don’t skybust any longer. I’m sure there are skybusters that use spinners just as there are skybusters that don’t use spinners. It’s not the spinner that makes an unethical hunter. I make no excuses for using one. I do it for one reason, to decoy ducks, plain and simple. You are completely uniformed, if you think I limit out each hunt using a spinner or that my goal is to do so. Most hunts I’m lucky to get one or two shots at birds. Most of my hunts are at public blinds where, if you're fortunate enough to get one, you have to tie your boat to a post or climb up in a box blind that has been in the same location year after year. Not allowed to move to where the ducks are. There’s heavy pressure on the birds and they are extremely weary. It’s an incredible challenge getting them to decoy, but I will continue my pursuit, Hoss deserves some retrieves.
Finally, give your readers more credit and consider your younger readers when posting. I have to believe that most of the guys who would search out this forum are ethical hunters.
Scott O.
Well-known member
Eric,
My comments had absolutely nothing to do with "motos". I couldn't care less.
I look at this place as a place to come and talk to my friends.
My comments referred specifically to one friend ripping on another. Didnt have to be Tod or Derek. Could have been anyone in here. Nobody in here has the right to impose their opinion on another then publicly berate them and others like myself with comments about not standing up for their "opinion". Thats bull$hit.
I won't defend or oppose an opinion because thats all it is and we all have the right to our own.
I will, however, speak up when I feel that someone is being unfair, or disrespectful or just outright rude to another.
THAT is what bugged me...and thats what I did, like it or not.
My comments had absolutely nothing to do with "motos". I couldn't care less.
I look at this place as a place to come and talk to my friends.
My comments referred specifically to one friend ripping on another. Didnt have to be Tod or Derek. Could have been anyone in here. Nobody in here has the right to impose their opinion on another then publicly berate them and others like myself with comments about not standing up for their "opinion". Thats bull$hit.
I won't defend or oppose an opinion because thats all it is and we all have the right to our own.
I will, however, speak up when I feel that someone is being unfair, or disrespectful or just outright rude to another.
THAT is what bugged me...and thats what I did, like it or not.
Derek and Xena
Active member
Don't worry, I'm still here. I'm really not discouraged. I could care less what anyone thinks about how I hunt, I do it for me, cause I love it! I stumbled across this site while searching for boats you could build yourself. The first site I found was the Devlin site and then this one. I really love the old Barnegat style sneakboxes and my dream is to build one myself! This site has provided me a TON of useful information and I thank you all for providing it!
john townsend
Active member
I have a moto , it flared a large group of geese one time. I havent used it since. They could be a problem if they stole birds you had working your decoys that left for a spinner in another spread. I only know Todd from this website and have gathered my own opinions. I think some of the newer waterfowlers are just wanting to kill.I think the orignal post was just a hunter shooting a limit of birds. I like how Todd responds to guys looking for advice on gun repair, You cannot change his opinions on matters at hand, and he has that right to his opinions. It just feels bad when every body chimes in , and slams you. John
Derek and Xena
Active member
The 'original' post had 4 birds in the photo! Our limit here in Washington is 7. That's not what it's about for me, how many times do I have to repeat myself!
I have a very hard time believing that statement after all that's been posted.
Derek and Xena
Active member
Believe what you want, and I will keep hunting with my flapper when the wind blows hard enough.
Phil Nowack
Well-known member
My name is Phil
I have 2 spinners... They never really brought anymore birds in for me than not having them. I don't use them anymore. I really only used them because I hated it when other spreads with spinners were shoooting and I wasn't. I just put out more decoys now.
I also hunt out of a customized handmade Devlin Honker and a Devlin BBII.
I also use a Benelli SBE. (I don't understand duck hunters that have an issue with autos since they were around before ANYONE on here was alive .... Browning A5 was patented in 1900)
I am a duck hunting addict. and above all I love my Chesapeake Bay Retriever, and my greatest joy is watching him joyfully retrieving birds!
I have 2 spinners... They never really brought anymore birds in for me than not having them. I don't use them anymore. I really only used them because I hated it when other spreads with spinners were shoooting and I wasn't. I just put out more decoys now.
I also hunt out of a customized handmade Devlin Honker and a Devlin BBII.
I also use a Benelli SBE. (I don't understand duck hunters that have an issue with autos since they were around before ANYONE on here was alive .... Browning A5 was patented in 1900)
I am a duck hunting addict. and above all I love my Chesapeake Bay Retriever, and my greatest joy is watching him joyfully retrieving birds!
john townsend
Active member
Derek the post was so long I forgot the original part. I didnt mean any harm to you and I apolgize if it seemed that way. Phil I shoot an SBE,have a lab , and also love to see him retreive birds. I am going this week to pick up a chessie pup. I like my sxs for shooting targets and hunt every once and a while with it but its hard to beat an autoloader that is working good.
John
Didn't you hear him? He doesn't care what anyone thinks. Why bother to respond?
Derek
A bit of advice. When you are at the center of controversey, right wrong or indifferent, with folks both disagreeing and backing you up (you clearly have more folks backing you on this one), a lot of people weighing in taking time to express their thoughts, the last thing folks want to hear at the conclusion is "I don't care what anyone thinks." That just doesn't sit well.
Eric
Didn't you hear him? He doesn't care what anyone thinks. Why bother to respond?
Derek
A bit of advice. When you are at the center of controversey, right wrong or indifferent, with folks both disagreeing and backing you up (you clearly have more folks backing you on this one), a lot of people weighing in taking time to express their thoughts, the last thing folks want to hear at the conclusion is "I don't care what anyone thinks." That just doesn't sit well.
Eric
Derek and Xena
Active member
Sorry Eric, I didn't want to offend anyone. I really do appreciate everyone on this forum and thanks to all for looking at my posts. What I meant was I will still hunt the way that I want to, this little discussion isn't going to make me throw my flapper in the garbage. If you want flappers outlawed then you're going to have to outlaw jerk cords, or the rocks that people throw into their decoys when birds are approaching or going out and kicking the water, oh, and better shoo away that single hen that landed in the decoys, we wouldn't want to use her as a live decoy!
Bill McQuade
Active member
Derek,
I love DHBP and visit daily. I have learned much from the vast experience of this group. I enjoy the pics posted by Gary March and several others. I would never get to see the great Northwest and Alaska and its' wildlife and habitat as it is shown here.
You shared one of your hunts and never imagined the shitstorm that would result. Your innocent post prompted well respected members to abandon civility and beat you and each other up. I don't post here very much anymore due to that very fact. Not that I personally offer a great deal - most of these guys forgot more than I know about boats. There isn't a single duck related issue that should prompt abandoning ones civility. We are like minded hunters who have different approaches to our sport. So long as we conduct ourselves within the boundaries imposed upon us my state and federal laws - who is to say what is the best method. I think the best method is the one each individual chooses for themselves. No need to apologize or feel foolish - Do it your way and apologize to noone.
In my humble opinion: My "flapper" was used twice and I haven't experienced any advantage as a result. It will probably rot where it currently sits. If you think it gives you an advantage, use the damn thing and don't apologize for it.
I agree with Eric. Saying you don't care what others think may have been phrased better had you said - despite what others think, I'm going to do it my way. Of course, Its' clear to me that you had reached a level of frustration - After all you were sharing a joyful hunting experience and as a result...... a proverbial shitstorm.
One thing I believe young hunters such as yourself should remember. Being a "duck killer" and shooting as many ducks as often as you can is counterproductive to the future of the sport. Hunting ducks isn't about the mass slaughter of the species, It is about the whole experience: preparation, scouting, setting your spread, taking good shots and of course the friendships created as a result. You seem to know that already though.
So congrats on your hunt on the original post. Continue to come to DHBP for good advice and share your experiences and enjoy the experiences of others. There is a wealth of knowledge here. Just once in a while, civility takes a back seat.
My 2 cents,
Best, Bill
I love DHBP and visit daily. I have learned much from the vast experience of this group. I enjoy the pics posted by Gary March and several others. I would never get to see the great Northwest and Alaska and its' wildlife and habitat as it is shown here.
You shared one of your hunts and never imagined the shitstorm that would result. Your innocent post prompted well respected members to abandon civility and beat you and each other up. I don't post here very much anymore due to that very fact. Not that I personally offer a great deal - most of these guys forgot more than I know about boats. There isn't a single duck related issue that should prompt abandoning ones civility. We are like minded hunters who have different approaches to our sport. So long as we conduct ourselves within the boundaries imposed upon us my state and federal laws - who is to say what is the best method. I think the best method is the one each individual chooses for themselves. No need to apologize or feel foolish - Do it your way and apologize to noone.
In my humble opinion: My "flapper" was used twice and I haven't experienced any advantage as a result. It will probably rot where it currently sits. If you think it gives you an advantage, use the damn thing and don't apologize for it.
I agree with Eric. Saying you don't care what others think may have been phrased better had you said - despite what others think, I'm going to do it my way. Of course, Its' clear to me that you had reached a level of frustration - After all you were sharing a joyful hunting experience and as a result...... a proverbial shitstorm.
One thing I believe young hunters such as yourself should remember. Being a "duck killer" and shooting as many ducks as often as you can is counterproductive to the future of the sport. Hunting ducks isn't about the mass slaughter of the species, It is about the whole experience: preparation, scouting, setting your spread, taking good shots and of course the friendships created as a result. You seem to know that already though.
So congrats on your hunt on the original post. Continue to come to DHBP for good advice and share your experiences and enjoy the experiences of others. There is a wealth of knowledge here. Just once in a while, civility takes a back seat.
My 2 cents,
Best, Bill