Nautic Outboard?

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Gene

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Has anyone ever heard Nautic Outboard or may even have any experience using there motors?

I am looking for a new outboard for my 12' BBSB. I was leaning heavily towards a 15hp Yamaha, but I am still debating the two and 4 stroke thing right now. Anyways, while looking at some Yamaha info I found parts interchangeable with Nautic Outboard Motors. Having never heard of them, I brought up the company at www.nauticmotors.com. They seem to have a very atractively priced product. I know, the old addage "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But before I rule this company out, I figured I would at least try to find out a little bit about them. Any information you have would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Gene
 
Gene,

I don't know anything about the Nautic outboard, but I'm sure glad I went from a 2-stroke to a 4-stroke. The low speed trolling is great. Plus, no more mixing oil to fool with. I went with a honda and drove up to Motorsports Cycles near Hanover PA t get it. they have better prices than down here near th big city.
 
are "sweet" as to noise, exhaust and simplicity of use, they are DEATH on little boats, and particularly so if that little boat is a Barnegat style boat with lots of rocker.....the extra weight causes the boat to sit lower in the water at the stern and it beomes very difficult to "trim" the boat for any speed......

Barnegats aren't speed merchants by any means. Crippling them with an ANVIL on the transom makes them even slower......but you're ride to the blind, while interminably long, will be quiet....quiet enough to hear that 2 cycle coming up behind you, passing you, and then turning into the spot you had scouted to morrow that is now going to provide the "hunt of the season" to someone else.....

Don't sweat it though, when you make it back home and go to the gas station you won't have to worry about mixing that pesky oil in the gas you burned on your site seaing, snails pace, boat ride......

Steve
 
Nah, you can go for another 30-40 miles looking for a better spot on the 2 gallon tank you use instead of the 6 gallon tank in the 2 stroke.
 
and maybe one of those nice two storkers, who beat your slow ass to every good spot in the marsh, will ask you to "join them" because they feel so sorry for you....

YEAH RIGHT...THAT HAPPENS.....

Steve
 
Barnegats aren't speed merchants by any means.
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So if BBSBs aren't speed merchants, then it doesn't really matter what motor he puts on it cause he gonna lose the race with any aluminum jon that will get up on plane. right Steve? Maybe he should get a fater boat. What size motor is on your BBSB. Yeah, those 15hp hondas are a whopping 101 lbs versus an 80-lb 2-stroke. oh yeah Lee, fuel mileage. it's so rare that i have to fill up that 3-gal tank on my honda 4-stroke, i almost forgot about the great fuel mileage it gets. Let's see, gasoline weighs about 6lbs/gal, so if i carry 3 less gals for my 4-stroke honda versus a 2-stroke, that means i carry 15 less pounds. Wow, you're right Steve, he'd better stay away from those 4-strokes, he might have an extra 5 lbs added to the stern.
 
you own 2 cycle stock? did I bitch slap you personally or call your dog ugly?

I stated my opinion.....

And YEP he will get beat by "faster boats" but he asked about a "specific" boat so thats how I answered....and clearly my post was "tongue in cheek" although accurate on the 4 stroke on highly rockered Barnegats...and that's based on personal experience as I've had both 2 and 4 strokes on my Barnegat's...

If you don't think that 20 plus pounds perched on the very stern of a rockered boat doesn't affect performance then thats simply because you've not tried them both....have you? Do you own two of identical configuration and run them side by side with equal hp where the only difference was 2 stroke vs. stroke?

For the record I run a 15 Johnson 2 cycle on my Barnegat.....also run a 3 gallon tank forward under the front deck...never had any "issues" with "running out of fuel" after a day on the water....and no I don't know "exactly" how many miles I've run on the 3 gallon tank but its always been "enough" so there you go, your weight differental re: fuel is gone from your equation...

I'll also add that I've never put a GPS on my boats so I don't know what the speed is....I do know that I've "run away" from a Barnegat, of the exact configuration with a 15 horse 4 cycle, in a 2 cycle equipped boat. Everything else almost exactly the same, IN FACT, the 2 cycle boat was totin a heavier load, yet was "considerably" faster.......

It's the boat design and again, if you don't think that 20 additional pounds, as far aft as is possible won't affect performance then simply put, and without a tongue in my cheek, you don't know the performance characteristics of the boat that was referenced.....

I'll stick by what I said originally, on a ROCKERED Barnegat a 2 cycle of equal hp will provide more speed than a 4 cycle, will be easier to trim for best performance, and is a "Better" choice on that boat even while admitting that they aren't as quiet and fuel efficient....

Your turn.....

Steve
 
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You guys are following my own debate exactly..... My 1986 Johnson 15hp weighed in at 80lb. The honda is 101, the Nuatic is 107 and the yamaha is 114. I run a 6 gal fuel tank. Though my ride to the blind is slow, since I burned up 3 gal to get there at least my ride back goes much faster. Switching to a 3gal tank would save me 18lbs alone. I would be increasing my weight anywhere from 3 to 16lbs depending on what motor I went with. Then there is also a cost factor... If I take out a second mortgage to buy the honda I would not have to worry about loosing my hunting spot to a two stroke. I will be working my second job to pay for it! The conveniences of a 4-stroke are definitely a luxury to someone that runs a two stroke, even more to someone with a 1986 2-stroke. But weight is a sure factor, especially on a BBSB.

Horse power being equal....
Are 4-strokes as "tourqy" as a 2-stroke, acceleration wise can you see a difference?
Are all 4-stroke motors/companies pretty much created equal when it comes to reliability? I have not really heard anybody that has anything bad to say about the portable 4-stroke outboards.

Easy boys.... I must have been typing at the same time as you Steve. I did not see your response till after I posted. I did not intend to begin such a passionate debate. Just lookin' for a little info on the Nautic company. Though I will say you are bringing up some great points.

Steve, you run a 3 gal tank on your 2 stroke Bagnegat. Mine must be a HOG. I seem to burn through 3 gal whenever I go out, not a whole lot of driving either. That was part of my consideration for 4-stroke.
 
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on the different companies re: the four strokes but while "considering" a "change" on the big motor on my sled I found "huge" wt. differences in the same hp from different mfgs.....in the 150 hp range for instance the Suzuki weighs almost the same thing as my present 2 stroke 150 while the Yamaha weighs over 200 lbs more....

The obivious question, at least "obvious" to me is "why" the huge differential in wt. and will the lighter wt. motor last as long?....since the wt. on these motors seems to be in the engine block will the lighter wt. motor, with less "meat" last as long as the heavier motor....

That question is the reason that I'm still trying to decide what to do on the big boat....

Again MY experience side by side with 4 cycles and 2 cycles....the 2 cycle will beat the 4 cycle out of the hole everytime......

For what its worth....and just to see who this response will piss off....

Steve
 
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I would say the 4 stroke is more "torquey". The two stroke will get to maximum rpms quicker....with a boat and load that will allow it to get there. In a heavily rockered boat, if you don't double or tripple the rated hp..you won't plane it and you will actually go slower with the rear end squatting and pushing water than if you just gave it enough gas to beat the bow wave. With my Zackbox, unless I sit on the bow, I can go faster at 1/2 throttle than full throttle. Nature of the rockered boat I guess..fluid fizics.
 
Hey Steve,

Serious question - have you looked into any of the direct injection engines? Merc has the optimax, Nissan Tohatsu has the TDLI and I know the other big names have them too. About all I know about them is what some sales guys told me at the boston boat show. They're high pressure direct oil injection units, and they get better fuel efficiency than a 4 stroke, weigh between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke. Are they a serious alternative? Plusses and minuses?

Charlie
 
Went to Nautics website....boy are they wonderful...I don't think any of their 2 strokes are for sale in the US. I believe I ventured into them when I was perusing ebay for outboard parts one day...saw a 9.9 and 15 offered for 1,000,000.00 and thought it was a joke. What it was...was....they were selling distributorships...on ebay....Their pricing doesn't look that good on their website when you consider if you get a clunker, there is no one near to fix it. I was surprised that Wallmart wasn't selling them when I read that they are made in Korea..too high of a labor wage there.
 
the quietness and the reduced exhaust....plus I like the environmental positive of "no oil" being exhasted into the water re: 2 strokes....

If the DIRECT INJECTION motors get better fuel economy, and weighed close to the same as the 2 strokes the the "noise" level would be less attractive.....my "guess" is that since they are "approved" that the oil in the exhaust has been solved as well....

One of the really neat things about the Suzuki four stroke was that I could get a 150 that was as light as a 2 stroke AND I was told that the SUzuki was geared so that you could put a 200 hp rated jet pump on it.....thas a big WOW.....a REALLY BIG WOW since my 150 Johnson is 105 at the pump the Suzuki would give me 150 at the pump, in a four stroke, with the same wt......

The only thing that remains is that nagging doubt that a four stroke can weight the same as a 2 strike and be as durable, as reliable, and as long lived, as the heavier ones......knowhatImean?

Steve
 
I asked the guy and he said that this kind of oil doesn't "mix" with the gas (what the heck does that mean) and that it IS in fact exhausted out. The oil mix ratios are much lower since it is all computer controlled, so there is a lot less oil being exhausted (so I was told). Somehow they get the same EPA rating as the 4 stroke - how that works, I have no idea. He said the noise level was between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke.

That Suzuki sounds nice. I had one of their little 2 strokes and that thing was dead reliable. I bought it off our fire/rescue department after we'd retired it from water rescue work on our zodiac. It didn't have an easy life, but it kept on going and going. The department just got a new one so they could spend some grant money before they lost it to something else.

The big suzuki 4 strokes I've seen are really quiet.

I like the 4 stroke idea too, but I just wrestle with the price, when I have a perfectly good 2 stroke. Noise and reduced pollution would be my drivers, but I can't convince myself that with my volume of boat use it makes any financial sense. Might as well "run what I got".

Charlie
 
Steve, I don't doubt that you have added some good info. to this subject. I'ts not the content that's at question here it's the way that you present it. Talking down to people works just fine on line. I'll bet however that you don't get away with that tone in person. You know, you could be a little nicer sometimes.............You are obviously intelegent on many subjects. We don't need that proven to us all of the time. "There I said it!" Kevin
 
I'll include the "direct injection" into the "mix" as I continue my search.....

I hear you on the "economics" of change and in all likelihood I won't make a change until ofrced to by a failure in the existing power plant that renders that unit "more expensive to fix than its worth"....hopefully when that happens I'll be afforded the luxury of the time needed to get what I really want as opposed to what I can get in a hurry......Murphy says thats not likely to happen though....

Steve
 
Gene,

I'm not going to pretend like i'm an expert on outboards or boats, I'm just saying i have no regrets about buying a 4 stroke. a couple of the features i like about the honda are the slide adjustment for the turning tension, which allows me to lock the motor in one direction (though i don't ever run with my hand off the tiller for more than a second or two) and the tension ring for the throttle control, which allows me to lock the throttle at a given speed. honda doesn't really show these features on their web page. i probably have less than 100 hrs on it. I've run it into some logs or rocks and kicked the prop out of the water with no real damage except a few dings in the prop.

I also like the position of the gear shift being up closer to the throttle, especially in my boat. it's not a stretch at all to reach it.

i don't find the honda any quiter than a 2-stroke yamaha or an old johnson.

regarding weight, if all you need to do is redcue your overall weight by 20 lbs, check out the dog food diet that HuntingDave posted about a few days ago. hahahahaha.

Good luck with your selection.
 
For my money(about $150.00) I'll take my ol' 1976 25 Evinrude that I can fix if need be and get parts for. Just what we need in the mix--- One more POS from the far east that we can't get parts for. I have had it with the Honda wanabes from China that almost are the same untill you need a critical part. Sorry or should I say sooo soolly. Buy a major brand and don't worry about either service or parts. There is no way I am getting into the 4 vs 2 because of the variables but I do kn ow what works for me, simple and servicable. Good Luck!
 
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