NDR: Any thoughts on crow control in the neighborhood??

NickR

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Hey guys,
My town has a serious problem with crows. It's a small town in a rural area and my neighborhood is sparsely developed / inhabitated by humans. I'm very tempted to use a .22 or similar means. I reckon a .410 would be a little loud. Discharging a firearm is definitely against the law and crows are migratory, etc. So, other means of control would be desirable. I don't think hazing is an option.

Just curious if anyone has any ideas for effective control, or suggestions to evade citation if I decide to the literally pull the trigger.

Thanks much,

NR
 
What are they feeding on? What problems are they causing? Where are they roosting? Why? Does Michigan have a crow season? Have you or your town contacted DNR? USDA-Wildlife Services? Disrupting the roost and excluding them from the food source will solve the problem. Shooting removes some individual birds but does little to disperse flocks more than temporarily.
 
pellet guns ,!

we have a huge crow pop in my area and there are three huge flocks that roost inside the town limits ,i imagine after last year the burds will out grow there stay in our town with 4 chicks per couple the flock should xplode over this summer...

with farms everywhere around us and garbage days staggered they have it made, until me and my fireinds show up in some field with the gear.

one farm would loose acres of seedling corn until we went after that flock culled a few hundred out of it and they moved the flight path to avoid the farm all together..the farmer loves us..but now we can`t find a place for us to shoot em at will ,and the birds are so smart they stay inside town limits.. and roost there as well..many times it has the feel in our town of that movie the BIRDS!!!!,,trees black with thousands of them cawing all nite long...


time will come and they will ask for a solution and us hunters will be waiting...even if they allow us to use pellet guns in the roosts i think they will move on but i tell ya we will have to have a paint can full of ammo we got thousands of birds here to...

good luck
 
Yes crows somehow got the protection under the migratory heading BUT they can be shot if they are doing damage or about to. One CO who shall remain nameless has been heard to say that he has never seen a crow that wasn't about to do damage!! When I was growing up on the farm crows had my dads blessing on the grounds that he said they destroyed blackbird nests. True or not I might as well brought home an eagle to cook up as shoot a crow. But on the other hand my grandfather kept me in ammo to shoot blackbirds. We had the fattest farm cats around!! They would come out of the woodwork when I brought out my great grandmothers ol Stevens Favorite and a box of .22 birdshot. When fall rolled around pheasants were huge and slow.
 
As a Minnesota native I'm pretty sure the "doing damage or about to do damage" is unique to that state. A rare occurence where MN is less restrictive than other states!

The crows feast on garbage. I'm ashamed to say that last year I allowed them to nest in my spruce tree. I couldn't tell for sure if they were crows or ravens, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt. If it happens again, I'll be climbing the tree and eliminating the nest!

I don't really give a rip if if they spread others' garbage all over town, I just want to eliminate the ones in my neighborhood, esp the breeders.
 
Nick, Actually I think that CO was from the Packer state. You are right about the MN regs.though.
 
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Crows are covered under 2 portions of the regulations.
From 50 Code of Federal Regulations:
§ 20.133 Hunting regulations for crows.
(a) Crows may be taken, possessed, transported, exported, or imported, only in accordance with
such laws or regulations as may be prescribed by a State pursuant to this section.
(b) Except in the State of Hawaii, where no crows shall be taken, States may by statute or
regulation prescribe a hunting season for crows. Such State statutes or regulations may set forth
the method of taking, the bag and possession limits, the dates and duration of the hunting season,
and such other regulations as may be deemed appropriate, subject to the following limitations for
each State:
(1) Crows shall not be hunted from aircraft;
(2) The hunting season or seasons on crows shall not exceed a total of 124 days during a calendar
year;
(3) Hunting shall not be permitted during the peak crow nesting period within a State; and
(4) Crows may only be taken by firearms, bow and arrow, and falconry.

and

§ 21.43 Depredation order for blackbirds, cowbirds,
grackles, crows and magpies.
A Federal permit shall not be required to control
yellow-headed red-winged, rusty, and Brewer's
blackbirds, cowbirds, all grackles, crows, and magpies,
when found committing or about to commit depredations
upon ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops,
livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such
numbers and manner as to constitute a health hazard or
other nuisance: Provided:
(a) That none of the birds killed pursuant to this
section, nor their plumage, shall be sold or offered for
sale, but may be possessed, transported, and otherwise
disposed of or utilized.
(b) That any person exercising any of the
privileges granted by this section shall permit at all
reasonable times including during actual operations, any
Federal or State game or deputy game agent, warden,
protector, or other game law enforcement officer free and
unrestricted access over the premises on which such
operations have been or are being conducted; and shall
furnish promptly to such officer whatever information he
may require, concerning said ope rations.
(c) That nothing in this section shall be construed
to authorize the killing of such birds contrary to any State
laws or regulations; and that none of the privileges granted
under this section shall be exercised unless the person
possesses whatever permit as may be required for such
activities by the State concerned .

There is plenty of flexibility in the regs. But your best long-term solution is eliminating the food source and safe roosting area.
 
Nick:

If you're serious about getting rid of your crows go out and get a great horned owl decoy. Crows hate owls and will gather to take one on. Be sure you have plenty of ammo.

Kevin
 
Mix up some hamburger with lots cayenne pepper

if that does not work mix up poison with some burger then they can fly off and die!
 
NPR did a story on a town in New York that was having a huge problem with crows by the thousands roosting in the downton areas at night. They developed a 7 day program to drive the birds out of the city to the country side. They used a combination of owl distress calls, lasers and fireworks to herd the birds out of town.
 
Thats a sure fire way to kill hawks, owls and eagles and get a real ticket.

I am not a fan of poison. Kills indiscriminately. Besides the crows need to know what is knocking them off so the rest leave.
 
Mix up some hamburger with lots cayenne pepper

if that does not work mix up poison with some burger then they can fly off and die!
I believe the Crow is the Mexican National bird,so they may like Cayenne pepper.Try 11/4oz of 71/2s.
 
their tongues and mouths don't react to pepper like humans or mammals....

In fact there are some speciality bird seeds that rely heavily on capsican, which is hotter than cayanne, mixed with it to deter squirrels.....they won't touch it but birds eat it with relish....

Back to the drawing board.....

Steve
 
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