NDR - Black powder ?

Great thread guys, looks like I started something. I did get a better capper today that should solve the capping problem. I will try to find some different brands of caps also. Can;t wait to get to the gun club again.
Shiny side up,
Wicker T, Walker & Charlie Brown
 
but remember they also had 8" barrels so thats a different animal entirely than the little 2" and 4" barrels that the little "pocket" stuff had...I think the little feller that Josey toted in his shoulder holster was 4"....BP velocity in the longer barrels, while still in the range that Hickcok would have been doing his work, might not have been "across the table" but it was still pretty "close in"....

You taught me something...I wasn't aware that he's was using had gone up in caliber when he was killed..but then, by that point, he was darn near blind and so "addled" from the opium he was using to dull the pain of the glaucoma that he was going on reputation anyway....

Under a 1,000 is always the number I've heard on the Walkers....

Nothing wrong with the design of the Armies and Navies except they were weak in the frame because of the lack of the top frame...the Remingtons were a much stronger gun and I think we're the more popular gun to convert to cartridge because they didn't have that built in weakness....Eastwood as "the Preacher" in Pale Rider was using a Remington conversion when he switched that cylinder in the last couple of minutes.....startled look..."YOU!!!"....more startled look and a feeble attempt to draw before the Preacher tattoo's the pentagram on his chest with his shooter....

Steve
 
Replica gun nipples can vary as much as womens. Thye make a couple different sizes....a #10 & #11. Buy the size that fits the best and then give them a slight pinch before you put them on and they will hold up to the guns recoil fairly good.

As for the Cold Walker thread. I've owned and shot two of Uberti's replicas and they are a hoot to shoot. They can be loaded with enough 3F to nearly equal the ballistics of the .44 mag.

The Walker was the gun that saved Sam Colt's ass. Sam was so broke when he got the contract for the government order that he had no way of making them. He cut a deal with another gun maker to let them make the gun if they would give him all the over-run parts.

The order of 1,000 Walkers were made in 5 batches which were maked for Companies A, B, C, D and E each batch staring with serial number 1. I forget now which Company's got less than 250 guns.

Sam Colt took the reaining over-run parts and managed to make nearly 100 additional Walkers without the Army's Company letters stamped on them. The Walkers faired well near the end of the Mexican War of 1847. Colt had a great admirer in Col. Walker and would have done better business earlier if Walker had not been killed near the end of the War.

Colt sold the reamaining Walkers which gave him just enough money to make his Colt Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon (also known as the "Transition Walker"). Which only 240 were made. That got him enough money to start making his First Model Dragoon revolver (about 7,000 were produced) which allowed him to make the 2nd model Dragoon and 3rd model Dragoon. By the time the 3rd model had come along a thing called the War between the States made Colt a very rich legend in his own time.

I have handled two original Colt Walkers that were bought by friends of mine. One friend bought one of the rarer Colt "parts guns" in the 1980's for $10K and sold it a year later to a collector for $26,500 CASH! My other friend bought his Company "B" Walker in an original holster and belt in 1993 for $35,000 and he would call me everytime someone would make him an offer. Last offer was $285.000 and he said he was holding out for $300,000, which will come pretty soon I figure. Old guns unlike old horses, continue to go up in value.

Dave
 
If you were as old as I am......shucks...you'd probably know even more about guns......'cuz, you pay attention better than me!

Dave
 
I can't find anything right now that says the pair in the Deadwood museum are converted navy .44s but I am 95% sure that is what they are. I did find something that said at one time he had a pair of Smith & Wesson .44 revolvers that Buffalo Bill gave him, that gives me about 5% doubt that I may remember wrong. I'll have to do a little looking.

Tim
 
unless I'm completely wrong the only difference, except in the trigger guards, in the Army and the Navy models is the caliber... .44 was the Army and .36 was the Navy....both were widely converted into cartridge from front load but they didn't convert the caliber....

Steve
 
you are talking about. The Model 1851 Navy had the square back trigger guard and 7 1/2" octagon barrel. The Model 1861 Navy had the round trigger guard and a 7 1/2" round barrel. Both were made in 36 caliber. BTW Te rarest of the 1861 Navy's were serial numbers 1-100 which were made with the rare "fluted" cylinders. After serial number 10o they were made with the standard engraved round cylinders. The Colt 1860's were made in .44 caliber and the rarest of those were the few made with a fluted cylinder.

The earliest Colt conversions was the "Thuer" conversion which used three rimfire cartridges, the 31 rimfire, the .36 rimfire and the .44 rimfire. These Thuer covertions were made on Colt's 1849 Pocket Models, 1851 Navy's, 1860 Army's amd the 1861 Navy's. Which explaims Bill Hickock's guns.

In 1968 I bought a Colt Bisley in .41 Long Colt and a '61 Navy Richards Conversion that was made for the .38 rimfire and later converted again to shoot .38 Long Colt centerfire ammo Both were fun guns to shoot. We used to shoot jackrabbits from horsebacj with them, that was really fun! Somewhere on one of my cd's I have a photo of my and my horse and I'm wearing the Colt Bisley in the holster, I'll see if I can dig it up.

Dave
 
Wow! For being just a pup Dave you sure do know a lot about old stuff. Love the note about nipple size. I did get a better capper made by Traditions from Gander and for anyone who might need to know the starter kit that Cabelas is selling with the revolvers is most definently a P.O.S. and I am taking mine back in the hour. The capper is horrible, plastic flask, a powder measure that looks like it was found on the ground, a decent nipple wrench and a few patches and balls. All for only about $40.oo.
Shiny side up,
Wicker T, Walker & Charlie
 
My wife hated my BP pistol shooting days..I would heat up a pan of water to boiling and toss the cylinder and loose nipples in...then I would stand at the sink running hot water down the barrel. The house always smelled of rotten eggs. 40 bucks will get you a lot of powder and balls..plus a nipple wrench...a small container with BP in it and a empty 45 acp hull will fill the bill for the powder measure.You could get fancy and solder a little sticky outy wire on the case to hold onto to scoop powder.
 
Dave, great info. Between that and what Steve said it made me do a little different searching and found that his reported last pair are in fact converted .44 Armies. It seems info and pictures are something the Adams Museum in Deadwood is not very willing to share. I've been looking at too many repro navies, they do come in .44, my mistake.
I even found a hint that he may have carried Dragoons at one time.

From Historynet.com---
"Besides Hickok's obvious liking for Colt Navy revolvers, at various times he was armed with, or proficient in the use of, Colt's Model 1848 Dragoon. By the early 1870s, however, the introduction of centerfire and rimfire revolvers to replace the still popular percussion, or cap-and-ball, arms was led in the United States by Smith & Wesson. That company's No. 3 model in .44 rimfire, which broke open to load or eject its cartridges, was superseded by Colt's New Model Army revolver, the "Peacemaker." Hickok did not get his hands on the latter, but when, in March 1874, he left Buffalo Bill's theatrical Combination, William "Buffalo Bill" Cody and Texas Jack Omohundro presented him with a pair of Smith & Wesson No. 3 "American" revolvers. Later that year it was reported from Colorado that Hickok carried them, but by the time he reached Deadwood in Dakota Territory, they had disappeared and he either had the old cap-and-ball Navy revolvers or perhaps a pair of Colt's transitional rimfire or centerfire revolvers known as "conversions" . "

Here is a neat site with production numbers and specs for the early Colts. click here

Tim
 
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