ndr but I cant believe the cost of ammo these days shesh .416 rigby

Dave Shady Larsen

Dave Shady Larsen

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Winchester S416RSLSP Supr CF Rifle 416 Rigby 400Gr Nosler Part 20Rd

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$229.99 and my supplier only has 20 boxes on hand.... man o man... BUT they have no .17hmr in stock at all lol

sorry wow.... I guess if i cant afford over $10.00 a shell i better stick to coot huntin.
 
When you are shooting lions and elephants if you have to ask how much you can't afford it. :-)
Want to see something really crazy? Look up the price and performance of the 416 remington. Same bullet, same umph but $70 less.

btw Wasn't the price of ammo going up last year because of the cost of lead and copper? Has anyone looked at what those prices have done since then? Lead is running about 1/3rd the price of last may and copper about 1/2. Must be the shipping cost now since fuel is so... hmmm, that is half the price of last summer too. Makes ya wonder.

Tim
 
Has little to do with raw materials. Has everything to do with what the "Suits" think they can get out of you. They hire market analysts to find out how much people will pay. Working guys like me can barely afford shotgun ammo these days.

Can't imagine most of us would ever need a 416 Rigby or 458 Winchester or 8mm Remington. A really specialized market can charge more. After all guys like me can't afford Safaris anyway. Good thing about that is I have no desire to shoot an Elephant or Rhino or African Lion. One day might like to shoot a Puma or Elk, but am told a 30-06 is quite up to that job. Like the ladies of the evening say, "the more you pay the more you can play".

I also imagine the recoil from a 416 would be brutal.
jMO,
Harry
 
Three words, load your own! I couldn't shoot my ten guage without loading my own. You'll get custom ammo that works best with your gun anyway, not what the ammo companies think you need.
 
Dave
Everyone should own an Elephant Gun. Just in case.
But most of us will have to reload to shoot the thing.
 
Twenty three bucks seems pretty reasonable when you consider you could shoot down a satellite with that load.


...but I hardly ever get a 400 yard shot on a galloping rhino up here in Michigan so personally, I don't use the stuff.
 
Twenty three bucks seems pretty reasonable when you consider you could shoot down a satellite with that load.


...but I hardly ever get a 400 yard shot on a galloping rhino up here in Michigan so personally, I don't use the stuff.
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But can you imagine catchin up to a coyote with that round :)

I was just screwin around and that was the MOST expensive ammo
that they had instock. I do not own that cannon.
 
Is this the same load (or something close to the .416?) that the guy on Futureweapons was using to ding the 1400 meter sniper target?

Its really a whopper...and I know what you mean about just checking prices. Heck I still go into the store and open boxes just to see what the cartridge looks like ...8mm Mauser, .243...I line 'em up at and look at 'em until the clerk tells me I am not supposed to do that :-)
 
Is this the same load (or something close to the .416?) that the guy on Futureweapons was using to ding the 1400 meter sniper target?
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That was probably a Barret, a necked down .50 bmg. The .416 rem and rigby are pip squeaks compared to that. I think a brake is required not optional for that one.
As much as I like the ideas of these big guns I'm a wimp when it comes to recoil. 30-06 is about the top of my comfort zone, can't imagine the flinch I would have with one of the big bores.

Tim
 
I think you are right. I qualified on the 50 BMG belovedly known as the Ma Deuce while on active duty many years ago. That 50 they use in the Barrett is the same round and it'll take you out over a mile away. I know a guy who shoots one. Most rifle ranges will not let him shoot that cannon on their premises and it ain't something you want to shoot on your neighbor's back 40. You can have my share of the Rigby rounds as long as I don't have to pay for or shoot them. Yeah I really like "future weapons" too. What a great job that guy has. Can you imagine being paid to play with all those toys, Drool Drool.

Best,
Harry
 
I just jumped over to the Weatherby site to compare their prices.
The .460 wby comes in much less at $139 for a box of 20
I thought it was odd that the .416 wby while smaller than the .460 was $20 a box more.
For what it's worth, if anyone owns a Weatherby rifle this is the best place I have found to buy ammo for both prices and selection.

Most of these big rifles never get shot at anything over 100 yds or anywhere near that.
The idea with dangerous game is things start to go bad and you need to make a brain shot on an elephant (buffalo, lion, etc) you need to be able to do it no matter how much animal you need to go through on the way.
If you read any books about the old ivory hunters many of them didn't use anything bigger than a .303 because that is what was readily available.
A lot of them never made it to retirement either.
 
I was jawing with a fella at the range some time ago. Seems that his grandfather left him a .458 and he wanted to run a couple rounds through it at the range. The first shot blew him off the back of the bench...and hurt. So, the second shot, he decided to hold the butt away from him just a tiny bit. Well, that second shot not only blew him completely off the bench but also snapped his collar bone. Ouch! Insult to injury. ;)
Lou
 
Shooting like that off a bench can be brutal, even worse if the shooter is leaning into it.
Your body needs to be able to roll with the recoil some.
 
Is this the same load (or something close to the .416?) that the guy on Futureweapons was using to ding the 1400 meter sniper target?
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Barret has found the "perfect" bullet for long range accuracy and it is a .416 caliber in a modified .50 BMG case. It has the ballistics to overcome many of the issues that come up past 1000 meters. Wind drift. The spin of the bullet being out of balance enough to cause drift. I think they also mentioned that it has the mass to be pushed fast enough to keep it from arching too much. Flatter trajectory makes it easier to perform your calculations to get on target with the first shot rather than walk it in. http://www.barrettrifles.com/ammo_416.aspx http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_99.aspx
 
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the ammo companies signed contracts to purchase lead and copper for a year's duration at something close to the inflated commodity prices we were all suffering from months ago. My brother runs a plant for a large food manufacturer and they are still grinding their teeth about paying last year's prices for wheat, etc., even though the current prices are much lower.

Lou, I've got a 458 Winchester story to tell too. Way back when I was a thin 18 year old I was shooting my Winchester 94 30-30 at a great public shooting range not far from home. A gentleman in his late 50's pulled up in a Mercedes and ended up seated at the table next to me. I didn't pay much attention until he touched off the first round and I nearly jumped into the next county. I turned and looked at him and he had a sort of dumbstruck look on his face. I asked him what he was shooting and he told me it was a 458. I'd never seen a 458 cartridge but I was quite a student of the ballistics and energy tables back then and knew that the recoil of that round was fierce compared to anything I'd ever touched off. Any way, he touched off one more round and we ended up chit chatting for a couple of minutes. He then asked me if I would like to shoot his rifle because he needed to sight it in. Even though I was a gun obsessed kid back in those days I knew enough to decline his offer. That recoil of that thing was obviously excessive and painful from a seated rest. The guy sat around for another ten or twelve minutes and then started packing up. He mumbled something about going on safari in a week or so and he hoped there wouldn't be a need to use the gun. Seems that two rounds of 458 Winchester was his limit too.

Chris
 
I love these gun posts.

That is right Billy they did use the standard British service round in many of the African colonies becuase of availability. One of the most favorite Elephant rounds for the famous WD "Karamojo" Bell was the 7X57 mauser (also called the 275 Rigby) round loaded with a full metal jacket 170 grain spitzer. These guys had to make precise brain shots or they would be trampled by a couple of tons of Pachyderm. Before I realized I would never be able to afford it I read everything i could lay my hands on about big game hunting,Inluding Peter Capstick Hathaway's books.

Darndest thing I remember from some of those stories was how some hunters would go in after a wounded lion using a 12 ga. side by side loaded with 000buckshot.

Guess necessity is indeed the mother of invention.

Rent and watch "The Ghost and The Darkness". It's a true story about a couple of badass lions that were terroizing a railroad construction camp.

Enjoyed the post,
Harry
 
My rifle of choice is a .45/.70 Sharps replica with "arn" sights.

Prices of ammo have gone through the roof for me...and I'm not shooting anything fancy...just 405-grain lead bullets.

The rifle is almost 11 pounds, if I remember correctly, so there isn't a whole lot of recoil...that, and the round moves somewhere around shotgun velocities...like throwing a cinder block at something. It isn't fast, but it doesn't have to be to do some damage...
 
Another good one to read is "The Last Ivory Hunter" the Wally Johnson story
Bell was kind of unique because even though he favored a round smaller than the 30-30, he managed to not suffer death by elephant
 
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