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PENALTIES IN SNOW-GOOSE CASE TOP $55K
Five have pleaded guilty to combining to take 265 snow geese over the permitted limit.


The five people charged with combining to kill 265 snow geese over the permitted limit all have pleaded guilty to charges and together will pay more than $55,000 in fines and replacement costs, the Pennsylvania Game Commission announced today.
The last of the five defendants pleaded guilty Monday to all charges he faced, bringing resolution to the case, which stems from an April 1 incident in Marion Township, Berks County.
On that date, Wildlife Conservation Officer Brian Sheetz, along with WCO Dave Brockmeier and Deputy WCO Ed Shutter, received information about a lot of shooting in the area of Church Road in Myerstown.
The officers arrived and found evidence a large number of snow geese had been shot. Through their investigation, it was learned that the five defendants had killed 365 snow geese.
While most of the snow geese shot by the hunters were taken illegally, they did not go to waste. After the birds were gathered and evidence was collected, Game Commission officials transported the carcasses to a processor and then donated 288 pounds of goose meat to the Central Pennsylvania Food Bank in Harrisburg. The cost of processing was added to the defendants’ penalty
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Spring season? I don't hunt it, but I thought there was no daily or possession limit during the conservation season? Can't imagine hauling that many birds anywhere! Glad they were not wasted.
 
yeah dont really understand how these were taken illegally. They have pretty much relaxed the regulations on these white geese as much as possible. They are really hurting the Brant on the breeding grounds, I say good job guys kill some more. I'm sure they werent taken the way I like to hunt but some ones got to get after them.
 
unplugged guns & electronic calls - and last I heard the FWS says hunters are not killing enough


if a law was broken- then the officers did their job, good for them

but it may be a law that is in the way of reducing the overpopulation

i couldn't bring myself to shoot that many geese - glad they are not going to waste


Maybe - setting up a cleaning process and allowing the birds to be donated would help meet the goals
 
Spring season? I don't hunt it, but I thought there was no daily or possession limit during the conservation season? Can't imagine hauling that many birds anywhere! Glad they were not wasted.

I see a bag limit but your right on no possession limit. That's a lot of birds. Not only do I NOT want to clean that many, but my shoulder couldn't take the abuse.



Special Snow Goose Conservation Season in Pennsylvania - Spring 2015


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Location: Statewide; dates vary by goose zone.
Season dates: Southern James Bay Population goose zone: January 24 - April 24, 2015. Atlantic Population goose zone: January 27 - April 24, 2015. Resident Population goose zone: March 2 - April 24, 2015.
Shooting hours: ½ hour before sunrise to ½ hour after sunset
Bag limits: 25 light geese per day, no possession limit
Special hunting methods allowed: Electronic calls and decoys
Non-toxic shot: Required
Requirements to participate: Current Pennsylvania hunting license, federal duck stamp (for individuals 16 and older), Pennsylvania Migratory Game Bird license, and a free 2015 Snow Goose Permit. In addition, hunters must complete a harvest report and submit it by May 24, 2015.
 
I agree that the light geese numbers need to be lowered and kind of expected the mixed reaction, but you still need to follow the laws and the law says 25 per day. I can tell you from past experience, if this group is doing it for light geese they are doing it for other ducks and geese as well.
 
I agree that the light geese numbers need to be lowered and kind of expected the mixed reaction, but you still need to follow the laws and the law says 25 per day. I can tell you from past experience, if this group is doing it for light geese they are doing it for other ducks and geese as well.
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no doubt- and like i said- if they broke the law - then they deserve it- and yes a game hog one place is likely the same everywhere


but- if the wildlife managers want to see the population cut and the tundra fauna saved

25 a day but the few that hunt them is never going to do it

lots of guys shoot more deer (legally) than I could eat- promoting donations to food programs has made it easier.
 
says 25 a day and 5 hunters....that's 125 LEGAL......somehow their numbers aren't right though I'm sure that's a "reporter error" thing and not a legal issue since the POACHERs, and that's what they are regardless of whether there needs to be reductions in Snow Goose numbers, wouldn't have plead guilty....


Is there anything other than anecdotal evidence that Snow Geese are impacting Brant on the breeding grounds?....I hear that but have not seen anything on it.....


Steve
 
everything I have read is that it is arctic tundra habitat destruction not brandt issues

the areas they summer in takes years to grow what the over populated flock eat in days
 
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Interesting. I just checked the Virginia regs:

General Light Goose Season
  • Light Goose Season Zone: Statewide
  • Season Dates: October 17–January 31
  • Bag Limit: 25 daily (no possession limit)
Light Goose Conservation Order Season
  • Conservation Order Season Zone: Same as the AP Canada Goose Zone — The area east of the Stafford/King George County line from the Potomac River south to the Rappahannock River, then west along the Stafford County line to Interstate 95, then south along Interstate 95 to Route 460 in Petersburg, then southeast along Route 460 to Route 32 in the City of Suffolk, then south along Route 32 to the North Carolina border.
  • Season Dates: February 1–April 5, 2015
  • Bag Limit: No daily or possession limit
  • Special Hunting Methods: Electronic calls and unplugged shotguns are allowed.
  • Shooting Hours: ½ hour before sunrise and extended to ½ hour after sunset.
  • Special Requirements: Hunters planning to participate in the Conservation Order Season must register either online at the VDGIF website or by phone (1-866-721-6911), aand obtain a harvest report form which must be returned to VDGIF within two weeks following the close of the season.
 
One of the guys wasn't properly licensed which account for the number of illegal birds. Wasn't going to post names, but it did go out in a statewide press release, so...



Norman Brubaker, 30, of Bernville, pleaded guilty to one count of hunting without a migratory bird license, one count of a violation involving federal laws and 73 counts of unlawful taking and possession of snow geese. He also agreed to pay $14,990 in fines and replacement costs.

Laverne Frey, 34, of Womelsdorf, pleaded guilty to one count of a violation involving federal laws and 48 counts of unlawful taking and possession of snow geese. He also agreed to pay $10,040 in fines and replacement costs.

Nevin Frey, 28, of Myerstown, pleaded guilty to one count of a violation involving federal laws and 48 counts of unlawful taking and possession of snow geese. He also agreed to pay $10,040 in fines and replacement costs.

Kenneth Oberholtzer, 26, of Womelsdorf, pleaded guilty to one count of a violation involving federal laws and 48 counts of unlawful taking and possession of snow geese. He also agreed to pay $10,040 in fines and replacement costs.

Nelson Sensenig, 25, of Lebanon, pleaded guilty to one count of a violation involving federal laws and 48 counts of unlawful taking and possession of snow geese. He also agreed to pay $10,040 in fines and replacement costs.

 
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all for socking it to violators

BUT

"[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]fines and replacement costs"

lol

they don't want to replace them - really?

just call it what it is - a stupidity tax, a greed tax - a slob tax


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Maybe Brad B. will see this and comment as I'm curious if Snow Geese are nesting and or summering in the core area of the traditional Brant colony areas and if they are is that a "new" thing?.....I can certainly see them having an impact on the quality of the habitat if they were not there traditionally and have expanded into areas where they hadn't previously been.....I admit to not knowing if that is the case and am very interested to know if that is one of the reasons for the recent string of years of poor production for Atlantic Brant population...., (foxes are the primary problem from what I have heard but maybe he Snow Goose thing just hasn't been discussed much).....


And what is the status of the Snow Goose population....for years there was lots of press on the need to reduce the population and how it was negatively impacting the tundra......increased limits and then spring seasons and then unlimited spring seasons with electronic calls and unplugged guns and lots of people hunting them.....and then you stopped hearing about the problem...interestingly about the same time that Texas Rice production plummeted and the birds started wintering elsewhere......haven't heard much about the "numbers" and "continued damage" or "need to drastically reduce" in years......anybody have anything "current" or are we still operating off of "what it was" and "it's working ... Barber Proceed".........


Steve
 
11:33 a.m., Jan. 26, 2015--Last summer, University of Delaware graduate student Clark Nissley and a team of three researchers studied the Atlantic brant goose in an area of the Arctic so remote that the only way to reach their camp was to fly in on a De Havilland Canada Twin Otter bush plane that had skis affixed to the bottom so that it could land on a sea ice runway.

Nissley and his team braved the Arctic’s freezing temperatures on Southampton Island in Canada’s north Hudson Bay to gain a better understanding of several factors that could have an impact on the declining population of the Atlantic brant, including where they nest for the summer and whether other geese species, whose populations are increasing, could be negatively impacting the brants’ nesting success.

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The Atlantic brant population has been fluctuating and on a moderate decline for many years now and Nissley, a master’s degree student in the Department of Entomology and Wildlife Ecology, and Chris Williams, associate professor of wildlife ecology and Nissley’s adviser, are interested to learn if limitations during the summer breeding season have accelerated that trend.

Over the last several years, biologists have seen that in winter surveys of Atlantic brant in the Mid-Atlantic, there are few young in the population, indicating that something could be going drastically wrong for nesting brant on their Arctic breeding grounds.

The Atlantic brant have a lot of factors working against them. They are, Williams said, at an “evolutionary disadvantage compared to the other geese,” and that begins with their size.

While nesting in areas surrounding the upper Hudson Bay, the Atlantic brant have to compete with much larger geese — snow geese and cackling geese — for habitat and food.

And due to its size disadvantage, the brant arrives at its breeding grounds later than the other geese. While snow and cackling geese can build up fat reserves prior to making the trip north, enabling them to make fewer stops on the trip to the Arctic nesting site, the smaller brant have to stop along the way in order to feed and rebuild their fat stores.

The brant arrive at their nesting sites a week and a half later than the other geese and instead of being able to immediately start nesting, they have to feed again in order to rebuild their fat stores for egg production and as a result miss out on the prime nesting real estate.

“By arriving late, there is a possibility that prime nesting sites could have been taken and food resources could be degraded from all the other geese that have arrived. All of a sudden, there is a potential that the brant go into nesting at a disadvantage,” said Williams.

Spending several months at the East Bay Bird Sanctuary located on Southampton Island, Nissley said that he and the team tracked 44 Atlantic brant nests over an eight-mile area of land from the beginning of May to July.

The crew would begin their day at 4 a.m., waking up in the 24-hour daylight, and head out to conduct their research at 5. “Everything involved hiking so we’d hike a couple hours to get to whatever we needed to do, whether it was sit in a blind for a few hours to conduct goose behavioral surveys, do a vegetation survey or do nest searching,” said Nissley.

The researchers used blinds to research the behavior of the birds and did vegetative surveys at nest sites. In addition to the 44 brant nests, the crew located, marked and collected data on 530 cackling goose nests, 240 lesser snow goose nests and 50 Ross’s goose nests. They collected 100 measurements of vegetation at all 44 brant nests, 30 snow goose nests and 30 cackling goose nests to see how much of the habitat the geese share and look for trends to understand what sites are preferential to the brant and to the cackling geese.

The crew also placed time-lapse and motion-sensing cameras on the brant nests to identify the exact cause of failure for the majority of the nests.

Study ongoing since 1979

The research is being conducted in collaboration with Ken Abraham, an adjunct professor at Trent University in Peterborough, Ontario, and a longtime waterfowl biologist who first set up a camp at the location in 1979.

With 35 years of data, it is clear how brant populations have changed. The first year, 455 brant nests were observed by Abraham but this past summer Nissley and his group observed only 44. And of those 44, only two were successful.

The 35-year data also shows how the habitat of the area has been degraded over time due to many factors, including the large number of snow and cackling geese in the area.

“When the brant show up to nest, they’re already looking at areas that 35 years ago were excellent nesting areas and now they’re maybe a few millimeter-high grass or bare dirt,” said Nissley. “We’re looking at areas where in 1979 there were 30 brant nesting in a 400 yard long stretch and now it’s just a dead zone as far as nesting habitat.”

Competitors

When it comes time for the brant to nest, Williams said that there is competition with the other birds and predators that could keep the population from nesting to its fullest capability.

Williams said that the other geese could pre-emptively eat available food resources or potentially be aggressive in interactions with the brant when it comes to food, which means there is the potential for brant to lose nutrition fitness for successful nest initiation, egg laying or personal health.

Brant build their nests and their energy reserves in order to lay eggs. During this period, the snow and cackling geese could act aggressively, pushing the brant off of the best nesting spots, which in turn could lead to a reduction in nest initiation.

Nissley said cackling geese seem to play more of a role than snow geese in pre-emptively excluding the brant from their preferred nest sites.

When the brant are forced to nest in lower quality sites due to competition, they are vulnerable to predators -- Arctic foxes, herring gulls and parasitic jaegers -- that prey on their nests during incubation or incubation breaks when the brant leave their nests to feed.

The predators are potentially drawn to the nesting areas because of the influx of snow and cackling geese. “These predators might normally only affect the brant in low levels, but if high densities of cackling geese or snow geese draw these predators in, then the brant may be suffering secondarily as a result of it,” said Nissley.

During observations last year, Nissley said that foxes were the largest threat to the brant, taking a number of eggs from their nests. Using time-lapse and motion-sensing cameras, the crew found that, “Out of the 42 failed brant nests, we were able to pinpoint what caused the failure for 28 of the nests, and 23 of those nests failed due to fox depredation.”

The research team is hoping to discover this summer if the high rate of fox disruption has anything to do with the cackling geese arriving first on the scene and taking the ideal nesting areas near deeper waters -- where foxes have a harder time gaining access – and thus leaving the more accessible and low quality nesting areas to the brant.

Williams will spend a week in the Arctic this summer with Nissley as part of the study.

The research is funded by the Arctic Goose Joint Venture and the Polar Continental Shelf Program, which is a division of Natural Resources Canada.

Nissley has also received scholarships funds to help with the project from California Waterfowl through the Dennis Raveling Scholarship for Waterfowl Research and from Long Point Waterfowl through the Dave Ankney and the Sandi Johnson Waterfowl and Wetlands Graduate Research Scholarship.

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Excellent....thanks Bob.....


Never just "one thing" is it?.......so it looks like Snow and Cacklin Goose numbers do impact Brant though one would think that with 35 years of data that they'd be more specific with the "increases" of both species and how they impact Brant.....just a synopsis OI know but Brant have had that competition since there were Brant so unless its increased rapidly can it really be the reason for decline?......


Steve
 
Hmm, I am glad they got caught and deserve what they got for breaking the law.

However these birds are for sure the ones that just left the Delaware bay on their way North. In NJ and Delaware there is no limit during the CO. season along with unplugged guns and electronic calls.

I guess the spring seasons are state by State and not given Federal oversight?
 
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I'm honestly thinking it is the loss of habitat on the nesting grounds that have lead to the rapid decline. Like you said they have always had competition for the prime nesting areas but if that area is getting smaller then the Brant because they show up late and the Brant's timid nature are gonna be effected more than Snows and Cacklers.
 
Jode....States can ALWAYS have more restrictive regulations than those set by the Fed's....never less restrictive but they are free to do whatever they want when its "less than" the Federal allowed......N.Y. has for whatever reason chosen to limit to 25......makes no sense under a "conservation order" where you want to increase harvest but wouldn't be the first, or the last, rule that doesn't make sense...


Bob..no argument in Habitat Change being a big part of the decrease.....and I wouldn't argue against the Snows and Cacklers being at least part of the reason for that.....what would be interesting to know though is "has IN FACT" the population of Snow's and Cacklers in that prime breeding colony increased, and how much, over the 35 years or are there "other, less obvious reasons" for the change in the habitat?.......


When you ad I first started taking about this and I heard "virtually zero recruitment for the last three or so years" my thought was far different than seeing a decline from 4,000 plus nests to less than 45 in a traditional nesting area....one can be seen as a short term problem like happens in the Arctic frequently....the other is far more insidious and isn't likely to "fix itself"......why couldn't this happen to Starlings instead of Brant?.....


Steve
 
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