Phil Tucker
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Thanks for all the opinions, mine is getting painted after I wipe it down and scuff it.
REd plastic gas tank
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Phil Tucker said:
Can I ask why?
[/url]12:196-1.6 Portable containers
(d) Portable containers intended to hold 10 gallons (0.038 cubic meters) or less and to be used for gasoline or other flammable liquid shall be red in color as specified in the New Jersey Uniform Fire Code, N.J.A.C. 5:18.
B.E. Shimp
Active member
According to that phrase anything flammable should be in a red can.Huntindave McCann said:
I'm just going to throw this out there for anyone living in Illinois whom may see this.
ftp://www.ilga.gov/jcar/admincode/041/041001740D04100R.html.
I follow this after watching a fellow duck hunter get a pretty substantial ticket during a safety check for having his gas in a tank that was not compliant to Illinois rules.
ftp://www.ilga.gov/jcar/admincode/041/041001740D04100R.html.
I follow this after watching a fellow duck hunter get a pretty substantial ticket during a safety check for having his gas in a tank that was not compliant to Illinois rules.
Capt Rich Geminski
Well-known member
Camo pink works also...
I'm with Captain Rich on this one.
Well it appears that the discussion is done for this thread. It is interesting that when folks run out of talking points to support their viewpoint, they turn to humor.
Fought the good fight Dave. In many states it is illegal, and it is best practice to keep it red. This is just like tiny speed boats with no floatation issue, you just have to point it out so that folks that don't know better don't think that the wrong way is right. You made the world a better place and I appreciate it (and no one called you a douchebag, at least in public 
). Nice work!
). Nice work!Wondering if there is a compromise...
1) paint the tank but leave the bottom unpainted and red so an enforcement official or gas station attendant can be shown it is a legal fuel tank.....
2) paint a warning on top in appropriate color, ine. Black primer on OD Green that says "Gasoline". I'd recommend also stating it is for use in small engines only and if it is, or requires, 50:1 mix ratio.
The rules exist for common safety issues such as construction sites, but after running a construction company I can tell you, you can't stop stupid.
The rules also exist for enforceable action against stupid. Easier for The Man and others nearby to see it's not a red can at the pump.
9 out of 10 will recognize the boat can by shape over color, but should someone decide to think it's potable or a good douse bucket for their fire, you'd likely be on the liability hook....
1) paint the tank but leave the bottom unpainted and red so an enforcement official or gas station attendant can be shown it is a legal fuel tank.....
2) paint a warning on top in appropriate color, ine. Black primer on OD Green that says "Gasoline". I'd recommend also stating it is for use in small engines only and if it is, or requires, 50:1 mix ratio.
The rules exist for common safety issues such as construction sites, but after running a construction company I can tell you, you can't stop stupid.
The rules also exist for enforceable action against stupid. Easier for The Man and others nearby to see it's not a red can at the pump.
9 out of 10 will recognize the boat can by shape over color, but should someone decide to think it's potable or a good douse bucket for their fire, you'd likely be on the liability hook....
Rob_F said:
With what information do you base this statement ? I think you are very far from the truth. How would most folks even have a clue as to the shape of a portable tank for a boat when 89 to 95 % of the population do not own boats? With only 5 to 11% of the population owning a boat, how would 90% of the population be familiar with what a boat tank looked like? Seems like a bit of a stretch.
Link to boat ownership
Dave, might just be a local phenomenon since I'm born/raised in MN, we're at the highest per capita rate of boat ownership and the kids aren't that many generations off the farm, yet....
And I understand the rule and thevsafety concerns. I suppose if I left the tank on a street in Minneapolis there would be a significant population that doesn't know what it is ......
I'm not advocating anyone break the law, but would anticipate, in ordinary use, anyone coming across a fuel tank for a duck boat will know what it is. AND, per my suggestion, to help those that may not, paint on it "Gasoline".
I'm all for letter of the law with some common sense adjustment. While I might drive 59 in a 55 mph zone and not think twice, I'm a ridiculous stickler for food safety.
More damage is done daily by chuckleheads not using their freaking blinkers and not putting their freaking phones down according to the law than the risk his duck boat tank isn't red...
And as we've mentioned, should he have an issue after painting it he will hold the responsibility... Even if that means a neighbor kid dropping a lit match in....
The gas can issue has a high severity error but low occurrence, compared to a lower risk but higher occurrence issue like nonworking tail lights and bad trailer connection/overweight issues... Or the mystery flammables grandpa had unlabeled in Mason jars.....
anyway, to further support your point, if the fuel tank was stolen and the thief injured him self with the fuel inside there likely could be a liability case against the duck hunter for creating a risk by violating the law regarding storage of fuels.
It would also likely void an insurance claim should the tank be involved in any personal property damage case where the contents accelerated something like a garage fire, as the investigators will argue the tank was not an approved container.
And I understand the rule and thevsafety concerns. I suppose if I left the tank on a street in Minneapolis there would be a significant population that doesn't know what it is ......
I'm not advocating anyone break the law, but would anticipate, in ordinary use, anyone coming across a fuel tank for a duck boat will know what it is. AND, per my suggestion, to help those that may not, paint on it "Gasoline".
I'm all for letter of the law with some common sense adjustment. While I might drive 59 in a 55 mph zone and not think twice, I'm a ridiculous stickler for food safety.
More damage is done daily by chuckleheads not using their freaking blinkers and not putting their freaking phones down according to the law than the risk his duck boat tank isn't red...
And as we've mentioned, should he have an issue after painting it he will hold the responsibility... Even if that means a neighbor kid dropping a lit match in....
The gas can issue has a high severity error but low occurrence, compared to a lower risk but higher occurrence issue like nonworking tail lights and bad trailer connection/overweight issues... Or the mystery flammables grandpa had unlabeled in Mason jars.....
anyway, to further support your point, if the fuel tank was stolen and the thief injured him self with the fuel inside there likely could be a liability case against the duck hunter for creating a risk by violating the law regarding storage of fuels.
It would also likely void an insurance claim should the tank be involved in any personal property damage case where the contents accelerated something like a garage fire, as the investigators will argue the tank was not an approved container.
Mark W
Well-known member
I have tried to resist but can't any longer. And here I thought this thread was "solved".
I would say most people in this country would recognize the shape of a fuel canister as a gas can. They don't know yellow means diesel, blue kerosene, red gasoline and green oil but they know what a "Gas Can" looks like. I would argue the vast majority of the population would guess that the different color cans are just peoples own personal taste as to what color they think matches their intended use for gas storage. For instance the thinking would go like this: "what color would go best with my green interior boat and so on......"?
Before the flames start, just pointing out what the average person would think if they came across anyone of those cans - "Hey, I found myself a green, or blue, red, or yellow GAS CAN. and it is full of GAS". Time to buy a lottery ticket. I fully understand how the different fuels would be treated differently in emergency situations but many don't.
Funny side. We had what is called a Corporate Scientist at 3M retire many years ago. This is the highest level a technical person at the company can go without going on the management side. It is rare for someone to reach this level and they are well respected at the company. They are also typically older. So as you can imagine the rules on labeling stuff in the lab has changed over the years. From needing no labels to having to write a book for every label on every bottle including water and air (I'm not kidding on the air). Well this esteemed scientist retired and didn't clean out his lab and there were many bottles unlabeled. When someone else was assigned the task of cleaning out the area, that person came across a crystallized chemical in liquid in a jar. Knowing one of the projects the retiree worked on, the immediate thought was this was a crystallize peroxide. For those who don't know what this is, it can take out a hole building. The lab was shut down and the property evacuated. Bomb squad came in over the weekend and sent in their robot to retrieve and deal with this explosive hazard. The crew watched the video feed intently and the robot extended its arm to remove the container and place in the special holding canister. Just as the robot was turning around it 'tripped" and the bottle went flying. You could almost see it flying across the room in slow motion. Everyone was bracing for an explosion and then nothing happened. Relief is an understatement. No label - no one knew what it was and assumed the worse as they really had no choice. Imagine what this cost the company?
Just sharing the story to support what Dave is saying. While you may know what is in a container, others may not and your actions could expose innocent people to danger. I agree that painting "Gasoline" on the container should work but is not legal. Something is better than nothing.
Mark W
I would say most people in this country would recognize the shape of a fuel canister as a gas can. They don't know yellow means diesel, blue kerosene, red gasoline and green oil but they know what a "Gas Can" looks like. I would argue the vast majority of the population would guess that the different color cans are just peoples own personal taste as to what color they think matches their intended use for gas storage. For instance the thinking would go like this: "what color would go best with my green interior boat and so on......"?
Before the flames start, just pointing out what the average person would think if they came across anyone of those cans - "Hey, I found myself a green, or blue, red, or yellow GAS CAN. and it is full of GAS". Time to buy a lottery ticket. I fully understand how the different fuels would be treated differently in emergency situations but many don't.
Funny side. We had what is called a Corporate Scientist at 3M retire many years ago. This is the highest level a technical person at the company can go without going on the management side. It is rare for someone to reach this level and they are well respected at the company. They are also typically older. So as you can imagine the rules on labeling stuff in the lab has changed over the years. From needing no labels to having to write a book for every label on every bottle including water and air (I'm not kidding on the air). Well this esteemed scientist retired and didn't clean out his lab and there were many bottles unlabeled. When someone else was assigned the task of cleaning out the area, that person came across a crystallized chemical in liquid in a jar. Knowing one of the projects the retiree worked on, the immediate thought was this was a crystallize peroxide. For those who don't know what this is, it can take out a hole building. The lab was shut down and the property evacuated. Bomb squad came in over the weekend and sent in their robot to retrieve and deal with this explosive hazard. The crew watched the video feed intently and the robot extended its arm to remove the container and place in the special holding canister. Just as the robot was turning around it 'tripped" and the bottle went flying. You could almost see it flying across the room in slow motion. Everyone was bracing for an explosion and then nothing happened. Relief is an understatement. No label - no one knew what it was and assumed the worse as they really had no choice. Imagine what this cost the company?
Just sharing the story to support what Dave is saying. While you may know what is in a container, others may not and your actions could expose innocent people to danger. I agree that painting "Gasoline" on the container should work but is not legal. Something is better than nothing.
Mark W
Tom Scholberg
Well-known member
I just had to say something too. I paint my gas cans with the oil ratio and the amount of oil/ gal. In my shed I need 4 different cans (mixes) for the different mess of old equipment I have out there. BUT red does mean gasoline.
Tom Scholberg said:
Now that brings up another thing.....Isn't that THE most annoying thing? All the different ratios? Chain saw and trimmer are the same. Blower is different. Outboard is different from all. Five gallon jug. One gallon jug. Three gallon tank for the Yamaha, another three gallon tank for the Johnson.....all different...
A little humor is rarely harmful. Besides, it's Rich Geminski's fault, I would have never thought of pink camo on my own. And pink is the new red.
DB buds,
I started reading this post and thought "really Dave?" I bought a 14' duck hunting deep-v, over 25+ years ago. The gas can was painted green and "I knew"
what it was. Now after "taking a breath", I understand the law isn't for me, but for those coming to my rescue, either on the water, in my shed or garage.
The least I can do for those emergency responders is identify my flammable products.
Now because of the importance of knowing flammables, wouldn't it make sense to teach this to kids in, let's say 6th grade. We teach them so many
less important things, how about the 4 frickin' colors of cans. You laugh. Well when your teenager needs gas, and pours a can of kerosene or diesel fuel in your car's gas tank because it "looked like a "gas can", oh well.
I laugh at Paul's post on ratio mixtures! Isn't that the truth! My lovely bride of 30+, "says" when I depart for the happy hunting grounds, she will not remarry.
It's either because I'm the greatest husband ever and can't be matched, or I was so bad, she won't risk that mistake again! ( ha)
With that being said, even though my cans are labeled with ratios and for what equiptment. I better teach her, because she will be the one filling the cans for some kid to do "my" chores.
Always enjoy my duckboats forum reading when my post hunting season depression kicks in. And I just got my 30 minutes in, under my SAD lamp for that depression!
Be safe you guys still out shooting ducks.
Steve
I started reading this post and thought "really Dave?" I bought a 14' duck hunting deep-v, over 25+ years ago. The gas can was painted green and "I knew"
what it was. Now after "taking a breath", I understand the law isn't for me, but for those coming to my rescue, either on the water, in my shed or garage.
The least I can do for those emergency responders is identify my flammable products.
Now because of the importance of knowing flammables, wouldn't it make sense to teach this to kids in, let's say 6th grade. We teach them so many
less important things, how about the 4 frickin' colors of cans. You laugh. Well when your teenager needs gas, and pours a can of kerosene or diesel fuel in your car's gas tank because it "looked like a "gas can", oh well.
I laugh at Paul's post on ratio mixtures! Isn't that the truth! My lovely bride of 30+, "says" when I depart for the happy hunting grounds, she will not remarry.
It's either because I'm the greatest husband ever and can't be matched, or I was so bad, she won't risk that mistake again! ( ha)
With that being said, even though my cans are labeled with ratios and for what equiptment. I better teach her, because she will be the one filling the cans for some kid to do "my" chores.
Always enjoy my duckboats forum reading when my post hunting season depression kicks in. And I just got my 30 minutes in, under my SAD lamp for that depression!
Be safe you guys still out shooting ducks.
Steve