So some questions about designing/building a sneakbox

Tony hall

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Sooooo.......I would like to build a sneakbox, have thought about a bluebill or mallard from Devlin. Fro what I've searched on here sounds like the mallard is a little slower than I'd like. And the bluebill sounds like speed wise is fast enough or faster than I would need. But I am leery about it being designed for the marsh. It's not like I plan on building something to cross the Atlantic but would like something to take some slop and have maybe 15 mph ish on calm water .

If anyone knows of other plans great, let me hear them . Still might just try and design my own but we will see

Tony
 
If you ever be on any real water... GO WITH THE BBIII... it is a great vessel... Small enough to hide, but plenty sea worthy. Many on here have one. CAN'T go wrong.
 
If you are a minimalist hunter, 12-15 decoys, one dog, and seldom with another hunter, then a Bluebill would be perfect. It will handle quite a bit of water/wave action. And there is no rule that you have to twist the throttle all the way around till it stops, so how fast the boat could travel at max HP rating is not all the important. Unless you are wanting to duel purpose the boat for pro/am bass fishing and need the hole shot speed.

The BBIII is a perfect boat for lots of decoys, dog(s) and another hunter. Handles nasty water. So stable as to be boring when climbing in an out. The stability saved my butt once when I was pushing my boat out of a shallow area and stepped into a bottomless tundra hole. I was able to lever my fat butt over the side. This would have flipped any john boat or skiff I've ever been in.
 
Thanks guys I emailed Sam earlier about those two models. I guess I left out a detail of trying to use the 15 hp motor I already own for the other boat I built. What engines are you guys running? Also asked Sam if the study plans include a material list or not.
Thanks guys.

Here's a pic of current ride. Doesn't hide well


 
Nice looking skiff. Did you build it?
Thanks Carl. it's a Jeff spira oysterman . Took a while to build (1.5 years approximately) but most delay was weather related. I work for the power company and summers are busy , plus who wants to sand glass in the heat. And then the winters aren't the best for epoxy either since I don't have heated build space.

It goes pretty good with the 15 hp in it, 15mph w two people and 20-22 alone.
Mostly just cruise around, enjoy beverages, and fish with it. Although it doesn't get the love it deserves, having twins under two , a stupid job , and lovely wife seem to get in the way of some of my hobbies.

Tony
 
I agree with the other guys, the BB3 is a fantastic hull but I think it would be underpowered with your 15. I experimented with running a 15 on my BB3 and with just me it was OK but with a hunting load and other people on board I don't think you would have the juice to get out of trouble if you needed to. I like the Mallard too, but being a displacement hull I don't think you would ever break about 12mph no matter what motor you had on there.
 
Agreed... use the 15 if money is an issue, (until you can find a bigger outboard) but you want a 25-30 hp motor on a BBIII.
 
Did anyone mention a BB III ?

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I have a 25 hp on her a 15 hp would work but you might have to cut back on decoys.

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sits low, easy to hide,

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Holds as many decoys as a hunter would want to carry, 24 canadas 12 snows 8 to 10 dozen ducks in there. Plus two hunters, a Chessy, gear and donuts and coffee.

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can you see it on the point there?

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So after looking at the devlin designs, which I do like but don't exactly love the $1000 in epoxy and cloth. I have started doodling a boat. I've taken some looks at a friends marsh boat also which is 14'ish and hard chined and goes like heck with a 15 on it. My question is how do the round bilge hulks vs hard chinned hulls compare. It seems a round bilge without rocker would still plane? Probably stick to vee bottom w rounded decks.
 
Tony, here's my opinion, take it for what it's worth. I've built 3 boats and have another one in the works. Unless you have a lot of experience in a number of different hull configurations - stick to a design from a proven company. Devlin, Glen-L, CLC, etc. all have been at this a long time. Any weeding out of bad hull designs is done way before we ever see the plans.

Worse case is you design your hull and find out after you have spent $2-3K on it that it is not at all what you expected and in fact may not even be safe.

Sure $1000 in epoxy seems like a lot but you are going to have that magnitude no matter what design you go with including your own IF you build with proven techniques. I started my BB3 in 2002 and when it was all said and done my build bill was right around $2500. Quality wood is not cheap nor is quality epoxy though there are a couple that offer the same quality for less money such as US Composites or RAKA.

Take another look at proven designs and their reviews, ride in a couple if you can so you get a feel for things like hard/soft chines, rocker, planing vs displacement hulls.

As one example look at the difference between a BB2 and a BB3. sitting on the water they look almost identical. Under power they are totally different boats where the BB3 will get up on plane with a snap of your fingers, the BB2 never will but will handle bigger, nasty water much better.

Lots to think about before you start a boat, just trying to pointed in the right direction.
 
I will tell your that I built a modified Scaup (17') for under $2400...and I built it like a tank. 17oz cloth on the floor... the hull has 2 layers of 10.8 oz . Your best price will be from USCOMPOSITES.COM

I echo Pete's statement. You will not built a less expensive and almost certainly, not a better boat by designing your own for your first boat. Either way, a 14' boat will have essentially the same material cost in it, so there really is no cost savings, just the lack of experience to know how a test model will perform.

In December of 2005, I started drawing up my plans for my first boat... Then I discovered the line of Devlin boats and read Sam's book. I will never know what my design would have been like, but I know what I have works. I built a Honker. After that I bought a friends BBII. Then I refurbished a TDB 14 Classic. Last year I built a 17' Scaup. I think I know a little about building a boat...but I do not feel confident in designing the hull for anything other than a flat bottom boat.

Just my $0.25
 
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Agreed Tod. I think that with today's prices and shipping, ballpark for any new duck boat build would be in the $3000 range, possibly less if you could source your plywood locally. Still not a whole lot for a boat when looked at in the grand scheme of things!

PS-I'm really, really itching to get going on my Snow Goose.....not sure if I can swing it this spring/summer but I've got the fever for sure!
 
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Agreed Tod. I think that with today's prices and shipping, ballpark for any new duck boat build would be in the $3000 range, possibly less if you could source your plywood locally. Still not a whole lot for a boat when looked at in the grand scheme of things!

PS-I'm really, really itching to get going on my Snow Goose.....not sure if I can swing it this spring/summer but I've got the fever for sure!

It isn't like you have anything else on your plate! Get to it! Talk to me before you start.
 
Have you guys priced aluminum boats lately? The latest aluminum jon with all the bells and whistles are far more than what it costs to build a Devlin.
 
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