Speaking hypothetically:

Carl

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Speaking hypothetically:
You have two bluebills in the boat when three come in over the decoys. You pick out the tail drake and fold him dead.
As you watch the other two fly off down the shoreline, they get about 75 yards away when one of them suddenly drops stone dead into the water.
What do you do?
Do you leave it for the eagles?
Go pick it up and bring it home?
Hypothetically speaking of course....
 
i pick up birds and take them home

even the time my dog tried to get me arrested -

i was in a spot that only had wood ducks - the limit was two-
shot the first one - dog retrieved it
shot at another - did not flinch or skip a wing beat - heck i miss often, so no surprise
shot the next woodie that went over - dog retrieved it and we packed up to head to a spot where i could have a chance at other ducks
on the way out, the dog makes this little detour and there he is trotting along behind me with a wood duck in his mouth

it was opening day, no other hunters ( private land and i was the only one with permission)
 
"Really, its not mine officer, its his, I didn't shoot it, he just retrieved it. Honest."
 
If a ethical, and responsible hunter you go get the bird. As no one else shot at the birds but you, correct?


Any hunter that has/had a good retriever, has been in the position of the dog exceeding the limit, with freshly killed, and not ripe birds.

In my experience wildlife officers are very familiar with this. When you encounter them they make the call.

They know intentional, and when $hit happens. They hear lies all the time.


Yet it is up to the shooter, and what they can and cannot live with.


Ben's post shows just how outlaw and watefowling have a long history.


Let he without sin cast the first stone.
 
My answer depends on the state your in and what your risking. Here in CT, any wildlife infraction you're found guilty of or plead guilty to by paying your citation, is an automatic loss of hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for a year. If only a fine is at risk, I'd take the bird home and explain it to any officer who checked me. Loss of fishing and hunting for a year for 8 oz of meat? IMHO it's not worth the risk.

Scott
 
We used to hunt a prize destination marsh complex off a waterfowl refuge in the eastern U.P. each duck opener. After rafting the boats the evening prior the opener, we would sit until full dark watching birds pitch in to a variety of shoreline and open marsh spots, with each boat's "captain" choosing his opener site and setting a GPS route to get there. Prior GPS handheld units we would use sighting compasses and dead reckoning to stumble our way to our hunting sites in the pre-dawn darkness. Since many downstate hunters would travel north for the Region 1 waterfowl opener that preceded theirs by two to three weeks, this huge marsh would be buzzing with navigation lights and the associated sounds of outboards, men, and dogs from 2:00AM to shooting time. After the near-continuous barrage of shotgun fire through the first hours of opening day, hunters would sequentially depart over the remainder of the weekend, leaving us with the majority of the marsh complex to ourselves. We would organize jump shoots that better resembled pheasant drives, moving through "time proven" marshy points, small islands, and backwaters, mostly shooting cripples and retrieving birds via the dogs. Frequently we would push across a small partially submerged island that held three to five hunting parties at the opener, seldom firing a shot, but completing the sweep with a limit of birds for the three to four people in the group effort. Never once did a CO arrest us or issue a ticket, though they often observed our "progress", watching us through their binoculars...I always viewed the effort as the converse of wanton waste!
 
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I have always taken ALL of my game home. I don't get checked often enough to warrant a "deep six" on overages, and if I did, I'd plead my case and take my chances.

I have done it several times.

Just my humble, 2 cents worth...

Jon
 
Good morning, Scott~


That's disheartening to learn of such an inflexible enforcement policy in the Nutmeg State. Does the punishment fit the crime for honest mistakes (I can recall at least 2 "scotch doubles" that put me in the red zone) ?


It reminds me that "zero tolerance" makes for catchy campaign slogans but poor public policy - and reinforces my belief that no one should ever be paid to not think. Whether enforcement or judicial personnel, professionals should always be free to exercise sound judgment.


All the best,


SJS





 
Hunting ethics demands picking up that bird and bringing it home, at least to me. Now secreting it out without getting caught over the limit requires a whole different set of skills obtained by some and scorned on by the uninitiated to this particular situation.
 
Good conversation keep it going.
The hypothetical person in question brought the bird home.
Wasting a perfectly good duck is just that a waste.
 
In the days of the one black duck limit, this was reasonably common in my hunting parties--meaning it would happen once or twice most seasons to someone in a .hunting party with me. Most of the time giving the "extra" black duck to someone who hadn't shot one yet kept us under our "group limit", a concept with no grounding in the law. Even when it didn't, we always picked up the bird.

A similar ethical question. Someone in your party cripples a duck on their final shot, leaving them with an empty gun. You've already filled your limit on that species, but are in the best position to deliver the coup de grace. The cripple is rapidly swimming out of effective swatting range. Do you take the shot?
 
Yes, the first hunter already knocked the bird down, taking the swatter shot is only assisting in preventing Wanton waste. No game wardens I know or work with it would ticket the second hunter if they witnessed this.
 
That's my sense, too, Carl. And FWIW, I take the shot. But I have been checked by wardens with a boat full of ducks and had them ask, "Who shot which duck?" Never had it happen when the duck that would put one of us over a limit was a two-shooter bird, so have not had to decide how forthcoming we want to be.
 
The few times I hunger with anyone else these day and back when I had a regular partner we always keep our birds separate. Avoids any confusion. If one of us did have an accidental overage we would distribute the extra right away. But I can only think of 2 or 3 times that was needed
 
I always just try and do the right thing.It is not that common in South Jersey for multiple people to get limits of ducks, so it rarely comes into play, but if it does, I pick up the bird. If I lived in Connecticut, I would do what Scott would do, because that is just ridiculous, the administrative state is forcing you to do the wrong thing. I fully admit to regularly traveling over the speed limit, but 40 in a 35 is far different than 80 in a 50.
 
Guess I?ll be the outlier. You leave the duck for the eagles. Had our boat and gear confiscated once for purposely shooting a severly wounded duck which meant loosing the season and hiring an attorney to get our stuff back. (we won and the CO was chastised by the judge) Had to go through the legal system once again for being perfectly honest about a situation. Won?t do it again.

If one was truly ethical and moral they would turn themselves in after a violation. Leave the bird and shoot one less the next time.

Mark
 
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Here is another weird situation I've encountered in the past. So I've made the acquaintance of, in passing, a few of the guys who launch at the same ramps and I know they like to hunt and then go straight to work. Well I guess they like shooting more than they like eating, because sometimes when I get back to my truck there'll be some ducks on my hood or in a plastic bag hanging from my mirror. Which is fine I guess, unless they leave 3 green wing teal and I've already shot 4. I know it would be OK if they tagged them as "shot by XX on DATE and given to XX" but they don't so now I'm loading my boat with an over limit of birds in my possession. I kept them, but it could have really put me in a tight spot.

One of the things I find more distressing in one of the marshes I hunt is all the cripples (there are tons of them). At the end of the season (duck or goose) you can drive around the marsh and scare up big groups of birds and there is always one or two in each group that can't fly. They skitter across the water and then dive and dive again and you can't really get in range without being under power or under the influence of power, so I leave them out there. But you know they won't make it.
 
As a hunter using a retriever I request anyone with a still loaded gun to dispatch cripples just to make it easier on the dog to retrieve. And I do the same if I,m the one still loaded. Of course everyone is also warned about shooting near the dog if its out making a retrieve. Several birds down on moving water is hard enough on a dog and having to go chase a bird with boat blind is a sure fire way to guarantee about 25 birds dropping into decoys!
 
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