Surface Drive vs Mud Motor

Josh Coulter

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What is everyones opinion on Surface Drives vs Mud Motors in rivers with rocks with a boat without pods.
Can you run a Surface with Pods and how does it handle?
 
Have you thought about a jet drive?

My experience with longtails was limited to areas with mud, sand & shell and lots of logs.
We broke two props on logs over the course of ~10 years.
And dealing with sand and shells, my partner would always have a spare prop, he would have to switch props about 1/2 way through the season, send the worn one off to be rebuilt.
Cant image that a prop would last long around rocks without a serious prop guard.
 
I have run a ton of surface drives over the years. First one was 18 hp, second was a 40 efi, and my current one is a 55efi. The higher the power you go, the more surface the prop runs. With my current set up, my prop likes to be ~ 1/3 out of the water to be running at its fastest and easiest to handle. In turn, when im on plane, my hull runs over shallow sand spots and my prop doesnt even touch. I can feel the hull go over these spots and my prop never even touches or catches, and I feel it a lot in one of the spots I hunt. Its the only reason I have a surface drive, otherwise every other hole I hunt, I can get to with an outboard. That one hole has just been so good to me over the years, so I cant give it up and go to an outboard. Careful with this, not sure I would want to hit a rock at speed and my hull being the one that takes the impact. I hit all kinds of stuff with my prop though when idling around or half throttle. I usually have to get a new prop every year, but more from the sand I run and it just eats away the blade. I have no experience with long tails, but I dont think I would ever consider one anymore with how good the surface drives handle, and the maneuverability of getting turned around on a dime.

I too would look into a jet drive if rocks were you're primary issue and concern. You would also get that outboard torque and likely better performance. If you decide on the surface drive route, I would go as big as you can afford and have a spare prop on hand at all times. I think I have 2 extra in my boat. One from previous season, and one for big heavy loads, but in a pinch, both would get me home if I had a failure of any kind. Never had that happen, but would rather be prepared than not.
 
I don't know if this has any bearing so take this as is. I have a jetski and a Yamaha jet boat. Both jet drives and they are very particular to the depth of the water in which they run. If the depth is less than say 3', I can suck up small rocks and sand which can, and have, become lodged in the impeller. 1.5-2" rocks isn't uncommon. Usually this damages the impeller tunnel plastic liner which then requires replacing it which is several hundred bucks. Jetski is the same way. Oh, and the faster you go, the stronger the suction.

As mentioned, I do not know how these jetdrives that are being referred to work but this is something possibly to look into.
 
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