Westlake....fun, yet confusing

Dave,

I guess what confuses me is that I'm not really sure what you think you are going accomplish with your thread.

I just reread your original post and you basically slammed the whole contest. It reads like you've called out the judges, Luke and Joe, and the whole ODCCA for that matter.

But what is even more confusing is that you state that you didn't even enter. So a non-participant is criticizing just about everything about the pool contests.

The judges for that contest were Glen McMurdo, Terry Desilets and Paul Busic. All of these guys hunt ducks and are considerably more experienced than you.

And another thing that confuses me is why did you re-post your original rant on Decoy Carving Forum? I read that today and other than your buddy George everyone was against you.

That post caused Luke's Dad Mark to feel like he needed to defend his son. What do you hope to accomplish with that?

Do you think that anyone is going to listen to you?

Whether you want to believe it or not you look really bad in this pursuit and you've seriously damaged yourself.

Dave at some point you are going to realize that you've offended a lot of people.

This whole things stinks of sour grapes. "My buddy didn't win and I don't like the way things were run so I'm going to make the biggest stink I can."
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This is a pretty funny statement coming from one of the most outspoken critics of the ODCCA over the past few years. I have seen you call out the club as well as several of the contest organizers on several occasions, yet you have the audacity to make this post?.

You have burnt more bridges in the carving community than anyone else I can think of yet you feel you have the right to point fingers at others for expressing their opinion?

You insinuate that Dave has no right to complain since he didn't participate in the pool contest, but how many negative statements have you made against the IWCA in the past. When was the last time you entered an IWCA bird John?

I wasn't going to post on this, and deleted my comments before posting last night, but I guess the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, and I truly hope that everyone out there sees exactly how much of a two faced jackass you truly are John.

I don't agree with Dave on these matters, but he is entitled to his opinion. I am a fan of the replacement rule and hope the ODCCA continues to implement it in the future. As it allows the best birds to go home with the top honors regardless of species. Although I most likely would not have picked the same birds that the judges did had I been judging, I respect their opinions, and as a friend of Ronnie's, I know he is a hell of a carver and agree that it could not have happened to a nicer guy, so I will say congratulations to him once more for a fine decoy, and a well deserved swim in the pool.
 
When I have been there yes, decoys have had their lines wraped and have been set on top of each other in a sled. (If anyone can argues that being treated like wood/crap should take out that pillow and go to the tank judging or more so start collecting dolls) I never recall birds floating hiting pilings, could it happen by accident, I suppose, there are pilings there. When they are brought in could they be floated right to sandy shore and pick up, yes. Can you see any of that from the pier, no. As George has pointed out, you and friends are always more than welcome to help. But I maintain decoys are not mistreated. Frankly you strike me as one who thinks he is making a working decoy, but is truly not.

This is taken from the ODDCA website, I find some of the wording lost of many people. The words, simplicity, practicality, durability, easily duplicate... 36, painting maintains its appearance season to season...rigors of hunting, careless handling.....


4. Decoys must be carved to accentuate decoying capabilities, not necessarily realistic qualities. Decoys will be judged on simplicity, practicality and durability.
  1. **Decoys must be carved in traditional hunting decoy style-no detailing of fragile bills, necks, wing tips or tails. **No raised primaries, No carved details in bills, slight mandible separation will be permitted** STRICTLEY ENFORCED
  2. Decoys must be painted in traditional hunting decoy style - brushing, ragging, stippling, combing, scratching, blending or burned cork. No feather definition other than outline will be allowed. No flocking will be permitted.
  3. Decoy must be carved and painted so as to be easily duplicated to create a shooting rig of thirty-six or more decoys. **Birds should be painted in a manner so that any duck hunter can maintain its appearance from season to season**
  4. Decoys themselves must be non-fouling and must be able to withstand the day to day rigors of hunting - careless handling, bagging, ice, heavy seas, taking shots, etc.
 
can you specify the year? BTW, guys know that they can come down and unhook the lines and bag them right after they are back on shore. Yep, the area under the pilings is sand, so they do need a washing when they get back home--I as well as other folks who do that part of the show know that we need to bathe them once they are home,,kinda like when you gun over them--Funny thing is that at season's end, mine are scrubbed with comet and a brush, and only the beat marks from ice an sthe occasional stray pellet are retouched. Now, i will grant that things worse than handling have occurred, such as a gang of mice, who revelled in honing their teeth on some pre 1985 wiley cork mallards.. This occurred years ago-solution, a bit of grinding, some sanding, and repaint-
Over the years, i have tended to be a lot less anal about my rig than the guy who jut messes with a few annually, so if this is a problem, feel free to do the tank part of the comp, rather than float on the flats. Better yet, do your boots, and help out..We can always use more hands, and some of the problems you perceive could be certainly ameliorated. One thing we can tell you is nothing on the flats has ever had a problem with paint hemmoragging from the surface. Soemtimes, the teachers omit the information regarding the media they go with, and that, my friend , is a problem.
Again, bring boots a s help out--We can always use bodies, whether checking in, recording, or milling about in the water. Now, are you willing to get involved? See me either saturday or sunday--Look for the f 150 with cap and runamuck tag. Most folks can steer you to me.

Not positive but I want to say 2010, the only time I was by the water last year was to swim my chessie pup so it must have been the year before last.

The guy who just messes with a few annually? The arrogance everyone says about you is showing now. Again for some that is all there capable of in a year due to time or talent, why should they not get to enjoy seeing their birds on such hollowed waters an know they will be treated with some respect?

Keep beating your drum about the paint huh? I'm sure you'll get some mileage for years about it where as the man who you down would be the first to say congrats to anybody, anyday no matter what. That's what makes you two light years apart.

How do you know if he even has a teacher? Assumptive aren't you? And if he even did do you know who it is? These are the kinds of statements that offend people, turn people off from the craft and competing. There is and old saying if you have nothing good to say about something say nothing at all, one garners way more respect that way......

Do my part? How do you know what I do and don't do for museums, foundations and different orgs? I'm there for a day and a half if I'm lucky and have many friends to see and take in all the area has to offer. You need help ask for it, hunt tests and trials have no problem with finding it and I doubt you would like my treatment of others hard work.

Beat your drum to the choir, stomp your feet, whatever you like. I've said my piece and am done with it.
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Come on people it's a beauty contest for decoys we are talking about here. They are used to fool birds with a brain the size of an olive. The freekin things will eat corn out of cow crap and I've seen them decoy to mounds of mud. It doesn't take much to fool a duck. So let's not be getting too personal over this.

I know reputations and future business can be gained from doing well at these shows but the same can be had by being polite and putting out a good product. It is always going to be someone's opinion that determines who wins since no amount of rules can change how every one of us views ducks and the art involved in fooling them.

I'm going to have to enter something next year just so I can see if I can get worked about it.

Tim
 
Tim the best line of this thread "Come on people it's a beauty contest for decoys we are talking about here" IMHO I never thought of it like that. The rest of the tread is entertaining but this I like
 
John, hope to see you as a volunteer this may at the museum-irregardless of your perceptions, the crew work hard and can always use a few more hands, in fact, another sled will ease the burden immensely-
I do not look at it as a beauty contest, more like the old miss rheingold contest, but you would have to be geographically attuned to that happening of yore.
I have seen Bomber's rig, and folks, it ain't pretty, but it is a thing of beauty to watch the whistlers dropping ait. My partners will attest to similarities with my stuff--The further along in the season, the more rugged they become.Ducks seem to like them, and in the long run, that is what we do this for, right?
 
This thread is a perfect reminder to me of why I despise subjective judging events; decoy contests, ice skating, gymnastics, duck call contests...at the end of the day all you are getting is a small group of people's opinions of your work. Factor in the "how" of the judging, and someone is guaranteed to be pissed off or have their feelings hurt...
 
Hey, you get it! Feelings is a song for folks who were braniwashed/schooled by people who thought self esteem was more important than hard work. Kind of like giving everyone who plays little league a big trophy to everyone, so feelings won't be hurt! Ya gotta be tough to be a decoy maker
 
You don't have to be tough George, you just have to only value the opinion of 3 audiences....yourself, ducks, and someone that wants to buy them.....The order is unimportant.

I am never happy with my decoys so that leaves 2 groups to praise them. Turns out I just got an order too! So much for making shitty blocks!

-D
 
This is a pretty funny statement coming from one of the most outspoken critics of the ODCCA over the past few years. I have seen you call out the club as well as several of the contest organizers on several occasions, yet you have the audacity to make this post?.

You have burnt more bridges in the carving community than anyone else I can think of yet you feel you have the right to point fingers at others for expressing their opinion?

You insinuate that Dave has no right to complain since he didn't participate in the pool contest, but how many negative statements have you made against the IWCA in the past. When was the last time you entered an IWCA bird John?

I wasn't going to post on this, and deleted my comments before posting last night, but I guess the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, and I truly hope that everyone out there sees exactly how much of a two faced jackass you truly are John.

I don't agree with Dave on these matters, but he is entitled to his opinion. I am a fan of the replacement rule and hope the ODCCA continues to implement it in the future. As it allows the best birds to go home with the top honors regardless of species. Although I most likely would not have picked the same birds that the judges did had I been judging, I respect their opinions, and as a friend of Ronnie's, I know he is a hell of a carver and agree that it could not have happened to a nicer guy, so I will say congratulations to him once more for a fine decoy, and a well deserved swim in the pool.
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Dave, it was good to see you and catch up at the show!
You forgot your sash weights.
I'll have more for you next year though.
Dwane O.
 
This is a pretty funny statement coming from one of the most outspoken critics of the ODCCA over the past few years. I have seen you call out the club as well as several of the contest organizers on several occasions, yet you have the audacity to make this post?.

You have burnt more bridges in the carving community than anyone else I can think of yet you feel you have the right to point fingers at others for expressing their opinion?

You insinuate that Dave has no right to complain since he didn't participate in the pool contest, but how many negative statements have you made against the IWCA in the past. When was the last time you entered an IWCA bird John?

I wasn't going to post on this, and deleted my comments before posting last night, but I guess the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, and I truly hope that everyone out there sees exactly how much of a two faced jackass you truly are John.

I don't agree with Dave on these matters, but he is entitled to his opinion. I am a fan of the replacement rule and hope the ODCCA continues to implement it in the future. As it allows the best birds to go home with the top honors regardless of species. Although I most likely would not have picked the same birds that the judges did had I been judging, I respect their opinions, and as a friend of Ronnie's, I know he is a hell of a carver and agree that it could not have happened to a nicer guy, so I will say congratulations to him once more for a fine decoy, and a well deserved swim in the pool.
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Dave, it was good to see you and catch up at the show!
You forgot your sash weights.
I'll have more for you next year though.
Dwane O.
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Dwane O,

Don't mean to hijack the thread but what is a sash weight used for?

TIm B
 
In case he doesn't get back, the sashes are used out this way when longlining,Weights go on either end of the line, so when the tide changes, you don't get a massive cluster of tangled stuff. Great for setting smaller gangs of brant when you want to set out a bunch of dekes. An absolute must when layout hunting, or shooting seaducks.
 
This is a pretty funny statement coming from one of the most outspoken critics of the ODCCA over the past few years. I have seen you call out the club as well as several of the contest organizers on several occasions, yet you have the audacity to make this post?.

You have burnt more bridges in the carving community than anyone else I can think of yet you feel you have the right to point fingers at others for expressing their opinion?

You insinuate that Dave has no right to complain since he didn't participate in the pool contest, but how many negative statements have you made against the IWCA in the past. When was the last time you entered an IWCA bird John?

I wasn't going to post on this, and deleted my comments before posting last night, but I guess the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, and I truly hope that everyone out there sees exactly how much of a two faced jackass you truly are John.

I don't agree with Dave on these matters, but he is entitled to his opinion. I am a fan of the replacement rule and hope the ODCCA continues to implement it in the future. As it allows the best birds to go home with the top honors regardless of species. Although I most likely would not have picked the same birds that the judges did had I been judging, I respect their opinions, and as a friend of Ronnie's, I know he is a hell of a carver and agree that it could not have happened to a nicer guy, so I will say congratulations to him once more for a fine decoy, and a well deserved swim in the pool.
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Dave, it was good to see you and catch up at the show!
You forgot your sash weights.
I'll have more for you next year though.
Dwane O.
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Dwane O,

Don't mean to hijack the thread but what is a sash weight used for?

TIm B
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Most people use them as anchors for "gang" rigging decoys Tim B
 
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Duane, good seeing you too...crap...I totally forgot about the sash weights. Thanks for bringing them down for me. I guess I owe you for the freight and storage.

Looking forward to next year.

-D
 

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This is a pretty funny statement coming from one of the most outspoken critics of the ODCCA over the past few years. I have seen you call out the club as well as several of the contest organizers on several occasions, yet you have the audacity to make this post?.

You have burnt more bridges in the carving community than anyone else I can think of yet you feel you have the right to point fingers at others for expressing their opinion?

You insinuate that Dave has no right to complain since he didn't participate in the pool contest, but how many negative statements have you made against the IWCA in the past. When was the last time you entered an IWCA bird John?

I wasn't going to post on this, and deleted my comments before posting last night, but I guess the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, and I truly hope that everyone out there sees exactly how much of a two faced jackass you truly are John.

I don't agree with Dave on these matters, but he is entitled to his opinion. I am a fan of the replacement rule and hope the ODCCA continues to implement it in the future. As it allows the best birds to go home with the top honors regardless of species. Although I most likely would not have picked the same birds that the judges did had I been judging, I respect their opinions, and as a friend of Ronnie's, I know he is a hell of a carver and agree that it could not have happened to a nicer guy, so I will say congratulations to him once more for a fine decoy, and a well deserved swim in the pool.
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Dave, it was good to see you and catch up at the show!
You forgot your sash weights.
I'll have more for you next year though.
Dwane O.
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Dwane O,

Don't mean to hijack the thread but what is a sash weight used for?

Tim B Makes sense, I never would have thought about that. Thanks for the information everyone! TimB
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