What is a post turtle?

Ray

Ray

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While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Sarah Palin and her bid to be a heartbeat away from being President.

The old rancher said “Well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle.” Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle is.

The old rancher said, “When your driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle.”

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctors face, so he continued to explain...”You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she is up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put her up there to begin with.”


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After watching some of her responses in the Katy Kuric interview I have to agree that she is starting to fall apart. I could have answered some of those questions for Sarah way too easily and I am horrible at public speaking. My embellishment skills are pretty good though.

In case any of you are wondering about her air space comment stuff. Russia has done a few incursions into AK airspace this summer when Putin started getting all pissy about Georgia. The AF scrambled F22s to great them way out to the west. This of course has nothing to do with the Governor of Alaska, but Sarah was trying to make the connection and failed so bad I had to laugh out loud and I scared the puppy.
 
because I was "hoping" that it was just me......I listened to her "Russia-head popping up-Putin sticking her head up" response and I swear I thought I was looking at an incredibly funny Saturday Night Live skit except that I knew that it wasn't because sitting right there was Kouric, smirking, (and rightfully so), as it got worse and worse....

When they skipped to the question that was asked about what McCain had done in his 27 years of service to "reform" the Home Mortgage problem, including being Chairman of the Commerce Commission, the best she could do was to repeat the one failed attempt, made years ago, that Kouric had fed her, (more smirks-more smirks--and again rightfully so), and then went off on some stupid tangent about how the American Public would "know" that McCain would be better at this resolution than Obama would....(I mean damn I part of the "American Public" and I have the same question as Kouric and I darn sure can't discern how suddenly, after not doing a damn thing, that he's suddenly going to do something)...

Kouric, pleased that Palin had voluntarily placed her "other" foot in the steaming pile of Moose poop, then asked..."how"?..."tell me something that he's done"...again with the repetition of the same "America will know", and then some stupid reference to the one faled attempt and the comment "I think that shows he tried and thats more than Obama has done".....(well yeah but SO WHAT?)....Kouric wasn't going to quit shaking that bone and pressed with the final response being a glib, "well I'll find some and get back to you"....Kouric was damn near laughing out loud when she said, "you do that"....

Scary stuff and I'm while I'm sure that the VP debate will be "great comic entertainment" I'm laying odds that it isn't going to be positive for the McCain camp....

Looks like I'll have to vote earlier, and even more frequently, than I had planned...

Steve
 
After almost going to prison as part of the Keating Five he learned that he needed to "re form" his friendships to people that might not send him to jail again. What was that cost? about $500 billion in the Savings and Loan bail out. John McCain loves causing bail outs.

He learned to help out guys smarter than him and helped push through the Gramm-Leach-Bililey act which took down the regulations built to protect the financial markets from the same kinds of stuff that caused the 1929 crash. The markets are too big now so that kind of stuff would never happen again. How long did it take to happen this time about 7 years.

However, this bill is actually saving us since it is allowing other big financial groups to buy the failing ones that are not part of their market sector. Without this bill they would just fail and vanish into bankruptcy. However, if these failing business had not dipped their hands into market sectors they did not know how to operate in in the first place they would not be failing.

Of course the real reform was the Commodities Modernization Act. Phill Gramm really out did him self on this one. Lets make anything with an arbitrary value based on the whims of the nation a commodity, securitize it some how, and put it into a mutual fund. Nine years later we have gone through ENRON, and now the mortgage crisis.

McCain helped on all of these "de regulation" acts so he is 100% to blame for the mess the financial markets are in today.

As to the bail out - the elected folks, and the lobbist that pushed for these two acts need to be the ones that open up their wallets and pay for the mess they created. They want to blame the greed of Wall Street, but just like my new puppy Wall Street needs control. You de regulate them and they go made. No obidence training and you no longer have a working dog just a couch eating floor pissing animal.

Hey give my back my slipper! Got to go.
 
If you want to be cute and call a post turtle a post turtle, then what is Obama? Seems to me, he would be more of a post turtle than anyone here in this election...and he's running for President.

Hitch
 
After almost going to prison as part of the Keating Five he learned that he needed to "re form" his friendships to people that might not send him to jail again. What was that cost? about $500 billion in the Savings and Loan bail out. John McCain loves causing bail outs.

He learned to help out guys smarter than him and helped push through the Gramm-Leach-Bililey act which took down the regulations built to protect the financial markets from the same kinds of stuff that caused the 1929 crash. The markets are too big now so that kind of stuff would never happen again. How long did it take to happen this time about 7 years.

However, this bill is actually saving us since it is allowing other big financial groups to buy the failing ones that are not part of their market sector. Without this bill they would just fail and vanish into bankruptcy. However, if these failing business had not dipped their hands into market sectors they did not know how to operate in in the first place they would not be failing.

Of course the real reform was the Commodities Modernization Act. Phill Gramm really out did him self on this one. Lets make anything with an arbitrary value based on the whims of the nation a commodity, securitize it some how, and put it into a mutual fund. Nine years later we have gone through ENRON, and now the mortgage crisis.

McCain helped on all of these "de regulation" acts so he is 100% to blame for the mess the financial markets are in today.

As to the bail out - the elected folks, and the lobbist that pushed for these two acts need to be the ones that open up their wallets and pay for the mess they created. They want to blame the greed of Wall Street, but just like my new puppy Wall Street needs control. You de regulate them and they go made. No obidence training and you no longer have a working dog just a couch eating floor pissing animal.

Hey give my back my slipper! Got to go.
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Now come on...this is a bunch of crap. No doubt many republicans had a hand in this mess, but don't forget that the problem of the current crisis is the sub standard issue of home mortgages (subprime loans) to people of low income and lesser credit being given loans on homes they could not afford, and forcing the lending industry (Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac) to carry up to 50% of these types of loans among their portfolio, and the democrats are largely responsible for that, especially Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd. And the specific legislation which permitted this was signed by Clinton when he was still in office. Bush has turned out to be a real failure to conservatives, with no backbone at all in my book, but he and Greenspan did try to fix this; by then the dems had control of Congress, and blocked legislation. But again it’s Dodd and Frank whose hands have blood on them with respect to this issue. And BTW, McCain was cleared of all allegations in the Keating affair, bad judgment maybe, but he did nothing wrong.

Hitch
 
If Bush and Greenspan really wanted to "fix this" then why did they wait until they didn't control Congress to do it????

And if a Republican President with no control over Congress couldn't fix it before it exploded then how can one that has consistantly agreed that Bush was right, and particularly one that less than (2) weeks ago stated "the fundamentals of the American Economy are sound", and then tonight said, "SOME OF US--implying that he was one of those SOME--saw this train wreck coming years ago", hope to fix it?

Thats the scary part to me....neither side has reacted out of anything other than ...."shit--one more thing thats taking away from my campaigning schedule".....idiots...both of them...

Steve
 
How come when the dems have enough votes to pass the Paulson plan, and Bush said he would sign it, are they all still fighting?

That question explains more about this than anything.

Hitch
 
and proves again that they are ALL lying, self serving, bastards that are more interested in what is important to us than what is important for the American Public....

Just makes me doubly sad that both choices suck....


Steve
 

I agree, but the country can not afford to elect obama...

1) We know very little about how he will handle any of the big problems.

2) He has no experience to speak of.

3) He will spend us into failure and high (Jimmy Carter) interest rates.

4) He will tax the economy into a deep recession.

5) His foreign policy, and what he has said he will do to our military will inspire our enemies.

6) And he will be ruled by the people that gave us this mess.
 
Sadly though your list also applies, with only minor changes, to McCain, and his Saturday Night Live parody of a VP candidate...

Point 1 for instance....we've had (8) years of seeing how McCain handles the BIG problems....inaction-letting it resolve itself-refusing to establish accountability...ad naseum....so one we don't know, and suspect, and the other we know...BOTH SUCK--advantage NO ONE...we're screwed....

Point 2--one has experience...the others experience shows failure to act after failure to act...and the second has a VP candidate that thinks she's PERSONALLY the first line of Defense against that country you can see from Alasks....YIKES....advantage no one...we're screwed....

Point 3--coming no matter who is in control.....wanna bet?..yep..we're screwed...

Point 4--coming no matter who is in control.....wanna bet?--you dont' crawl out of a TRILLION DOLLAR hole with a plan that increases the deficit without raising taxes, and it doesn't matter how many times you lie about not doing it.....ahhh ohhhh.....screwed again....

Point 5--"we could be involved in Iraq for 100 years"--"we can muddle through Afghanistan"....both quotes from McCain and neither inspires me to believe that America's enemies are anything but amused--and certainly aren't going to roll over and die if by some stroke of enourmous luck he wins....CRAAAPPPpppppppppp----screwed yet again...

6)--as you already said....EVERYBODY in Gov. is at fault for this mess....and Dems will be in control of both houses....so McCain will be "ruled" by the people that "gave us this mess"....

Like I said....."we're screwed".....

Steve
 
and proves again that they are ALL lying, self serving, bastards that are more interested in what is important to us than what is important for the American Public....

Just makes me doubly sad that both choices suck....
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Well said, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto,
 
I agree they are all self serving and could really care less about us, but I would also say McCain is clearly a better choice than Obama, Obama would be a disaster with the current congress, but both choices do suck.

What we need is a new George Washington.

Hitch
 
I recall that in another heated debate that somebody else did refer to Obama as the post turtle. Sadly, whether you like McCain or no he really is the only logical option. Obama is the "JV" squad of politics and LaBron James he ain't.


Here is a quick look into 3 former Fannie Mae executives who have brought down Wall Street.

Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines was forced to retire from his position with Fannie Mae when auditing discovered severe irregulaties in Fannie Mae's accounting activities. At the time of his departure The Wall Street Journal noted, ' Raines, who long defended the company's accounting despite mounting evidence that it wasn't proper, issued a statement late Tuesday conceding that 'mistakes were made' and saying he would assume responsibility as he had earlier promised. News reports indicate the company was under growing pressure from regulators to shake up its management in the wake of findings that the company's books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting principles for four years.' Fannie Mae had to reduce its surplus by $9 billion.

Raines left with a 'golden parachute valued at $240 Million in benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the depth of the accounting scandal became clear. http://housingdoom.com/2006/12/18/fannie-charges/ . The Government noted, 'The 101 charges reveal how the individuals improperly manipulated earnings to maximize their bonuses, while knowingly neglecting accounting systems and internal controls, misapplying over twenty accounting principles and misleading the regulator and the public. The Notice explains how they submitted six years of misleading and inaccurate accounting statements a nd inaccurate capital reports that enabled them to grow Fannie Mae in an unsafe and unsound manner.' These charges were made in 2006. The Court ordered Raines to return $50 Million Dollars he received in bonuses based on the miss-stated Fannie Mae profits.

Tim Howard - Was the Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard 'was a strong internal proponent of using accounting strategies that would ensure a 'stable pattern of earnings' at Fannie. In everyday English - he was cooking the books . The Government Investigation determined that, 'Chief Financial Officer, Tim Howard, failed to provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions within Fannie Mae,'
On June 16, 2006, Rep. Richard Baker, R-La., asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress in October 2004 when they denied manipulating the mortgage-finance giant's income statement to achieve management pay bonuses. Investigations by federal regulators and the company's board of directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earn ings to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004.
Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million!

Jim Johnson - A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. A look at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006 report on mismanagement and corruption inside Fannie Mae, and you'll see some interesting things about Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 million.' Johnson is currently under investigation for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae.
Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million.




WHERE ARE THEY NOW?


FRANKLIN RAINES - Raines works for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor

TIM HOWARD - Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama

JIM JOHNSON – Johnson is Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee


Now to continue my fact search. I mentioned to several friends how McCain warned of this exact economic collapse back in 2006. Several questioned this fact and said,”I’d like to see that”. Well, here you go. Incidentally this was killed off by the Dems led by Sen Chris Dodd and good old Sen Barney Frank, with strong support from Barack Obama. Gee, I wonder why? There is "deregulation" and "diversification". By my way of thinking when the deregulation gets out of hand then you need to diversify to try and mitigate the damage of one sector collapsing. But, when that particular sector takes the everything down like a sinking ship it really doesn't matter. And yes, I did hear this on Fox News but I also read it in US News and the WSJ. I didn't on the other hand see Katie K railing Biden with questions regarding these matters. Nor have I ever heard a "journalist" ask a VP candidate to name specific examples of votes that their running mate made on "x" issues. Please read below.

Jay

May 26, 2006
“Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
Quick Info
S-90 Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005
Last Action: Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably.
Status: Dead
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190,to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation” John McCain end quote




 
I am not a politcal expert nor am I up on all that both canidates have or have not done but one thing I do know. I and my sons and most of my friends are gun owners and hunters. Being that this is a site containing people of both of those persuasions and intelligence, I am finding it hard to understand why some of you obviously support Sen. Obama. He has made it more than clear on his stand towards gun ownership and his intent to do away with the right to do so. If I may paraphrase one of his statements, it went something like this: "I can't take away your guns, I don't have the votes necessary to do so". Seeing as how the Supreme Courts' ruling of the 2nd amendment was 5-4 in favour, what do you suppose will happen if he becomes president and gets to nominate a couple of people for judges? Perhaps then he WILL have the votes? I think some of you are walking around with either blinders or rose colored glasses on. I donot know if Mr. McCain will be a better president than Mr. Obama, both have their plus and minusses and I understand there is more than this one issue, but I do know Mr. McCain isn't looking to do away with the 2nd amendment. I am 61 years old and my hunting days are dwindling down but I have a 3 year old grandson that I'd like to be able to leave my fathers shotguns too as they were left too me and I would like to think he will get to use them someday.
 
You can't judge a Republican by what you see on TV. The media will present the person in the worst manner possible. They will even omit context. If Sarah Palin does anything wrong, like when algore looked at a bust of George Washington and asked "Who's that?" I think that Sarah Palin has been "advised" by the McCain handlers so as to avoid the media's "got ya" for which they are so blood hungry. In the process they have taken away her openness and forthrightness that was part of her appeal. Experience and tenure aren't worth a plastic deke if you don't have fortitude and the right set of values. Oh, and I've got a post for Palin.
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So, why doesn't everyone get some balls and vote them all out of office? Ultimately we are the ones responsible for this mess as we keep voting these losers into office. Let's get a fresh start and get some business people working for us, not for them. Term limits so no one works only for themselves and their party. Let's get some other choices from somewhere other than the Demoncratic and Republicrap parties.

Get rid of money in politics and have publically financed elections. Think it costs too much, look how much these goons who are making decisions based upon who gave them the most money are costing us now. Would it have been cheaper to give each real presidential contender $500M or pay $700B now. As I've always believed, it is not money in politics that is the problem, it is knowing who that money came from that is the real problem.

Look how these scumbags are acting now. They are still more interested in playing politics then really solving the current mess. Look deep into what the $700B is buying and it isn't all to solve the current crisis. Bush makes me sick by once again saying you have to do this, do it my way, and do it now or else strategy. I am embarrased to have voted for him - twice. At least one Republican had some balls to stand up and say this isn't right.

If you vote for your current Congressman, you are repsonible for what is going on now and in the future. You lose the ability to bitch about anyone of them if you continue to vote for them. I'm thinking of a write in candidate instead of Norm Coleman and I sure as hell can't vote for Al Franken. Rin Tin Tin anyone? Can you imagine anyone voting for someone like Al Franken? Who are these people? Same ones that voted for Jesse the idiot Ventura I guess.

Can you make it from southern Florida to Cuba in a duckboat?

Vote em all out that's what I say.

Mark W
 
In keeping with the throw the bums out theory, I believe all the entrenched ticks in the Federal govt. are scared as hell to have Sarah get in. They don't want all of us to see how little we need them and that tossing them out will make things no WORSE.
 
In keeping with the throw the bums out theory, I believe all the entrenched ticks in the Federal govt. are scared as hell to have Sarah get in. They don't want all of us to see how little we need them and that tossing them out will make things no WORSE.
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How can it possibly get any worse than it is right now? Uncontrolled spending, massive accumulating debt, corruption all over the place, out of whack taxes, partisan everything (probably couldn't agree that water is wet), special everything for Congress only (health care, retirement benefits, exempt from most everything, million if not billionaires, etc...) the list is endless. These goons have lost touch with what this country is all about and the people who live here. Fire them all.

It starts and ends with us folks. If we all voted for something other than what we already have got we might lose the battle but the war is what we want to win. Continously voting these scumbag losers and people like them into office over and over again is the very definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Mark W

Mark W
 
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